Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Incidents involving the drug bath salts


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Bath salts (drug). Consensus is that this shouldn't be a separate article. But opinions are divided about whether to merge this into the main article or not. So the solution here is to redirect the article; that way the normal editorial process can sort out whether or not certain material from the history should be included in the main article.  Sandstein  09:11, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Incidents involving the drug bath salts

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This is just a list of random unrelated crimes for which there is no signifigant coverage of the topic of the article, although there may well be coverage of the individual incidents. Wikipedia is not just a list of indiscriminant information. This is not an encyclopedic topic any more than Crimes where the get-a-way car was a Dodge would be. -- The Red Pen of Doom  18:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Articles for deletion/Log/2012 July 12.  Snotbot   t &bull; c &raquo;  18:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 18:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - I had been meaning to nominate this myself, and I should point out that this was created shortly after I removed a list of 'incidents' from bath salts (drug). It is a WP:POVFORK of bath salts (drug) that is turning into a WP:COATRACK for media stories related to the latest drug scare. The Red Pen of Doom has gone a bit OTT with their example, but I think it is clear that we shouldn't have an article on incidents involving alcohol and therefore should not have this article either. It's also important to note that there is scanty evidence as to whether or not 'bath salts' were even involved in these incidents or not, and the case that started all the hysteria in the media was later shown to have no connection: . WP:MEDRS demands that we use sources that are stronger than normal when discussing the effects of compounds on the human body, and this does not include what random police officers tell the media. SmartSE (talk) 22:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - This article was a split from Bath salts (drug) as it was becoming to large. Many parents and young people *must* be made aware of what will happen if bath salts are taken.  These incidents provide evidence of the risk to a user or potential user. JunoBeach (talk) 22:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The main article was never too long - articles should only be split when larger than 100kb, and it was 18kb when I removed it. The reason I removed it was because I don't see any reason that we should use such poor sources anywhere in any article. Saying that we "must" do something makes it sound as if you are here to soapbox rather than provide neutral information about BS. I'd rephrase what you said to "Many parents and young people *must* be made aware of what will can happen in a small number of cases if when bath salts are taken in combination with alcohol and other drugs". SmartSE (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There are lots of things that *must* be done, but that doesn't mean that Wikipedia *must* do them. This is an encyclopedia, not a drug awareness campaign. Phil Bridger (talk) 11:19, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Bath salts (drug). That article is not too long to support a section detailing important incidents and this is a mish mash of unrelated events in free-standing form. Carrite (talk) 00:13, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * . Uncle G (talk) 15:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete ASAP - nothing to merge -  You  really  can  21:54, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Merge to Bath salts (drug). The material is sourced and relates to that article. The amount of material to be used is an editorial decision which will emerge through direct editing and appropriate talkpage discussion.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  10:00, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge reliably-sourced information from this article to Bath salts (drug), per WP:PRESERVE. Northamerica1000(talk) 12:58, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.