Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inclined Bed Therapy


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   redirect to Bed rest. The real close is "merge and delete", but the English Wikipedia's licensing policy does not allow for that. I can conclude from the discussion that the community consensus is to not have a separate article on this topic. NW ( Talk ) 18:05, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Inclined Bed Therapy

 * – ( View AfD View log  Stats )

A medical article that fails WP:MEDRS. The first reference does not mention the topic at all. The second reference is not MEDRS. Does not meet WP:GNG Ochiwar (talk) 21:07, 30 June 2013 (UTC) A search for reliable references and sources that are WP:MEDRS compliant has been unproductive. Ochiwar (talk) 21:37, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. I looked for sources but I'm not finding any evidence that this meets WP:GNG, let alone the more stringent requirements of medical sourcing. Dricherby (talk) 21:56, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly non-notable form of alternative medicine, without significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Fails general notability criteria and WP:FRINGE. MastCell Talk 22:08, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete; combination of notability and WP:FRINGE problems. With one or the other we might be able to retain a basic stub with a bit of work, but the combination of the two makes it impossible to cover the topic neutrally. bobrayner (talk) 23:14, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Even a stub would have to meet notability guidelines. Dricherby (talk) 23:28, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:01, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep or rename. The problem is that we are talking about two different things.  Fletcher has fringe theories that do not warrant inclusion on Wikipedia and he has been actively trying to push his beliefs here.  However, the concept of there being medical effects from raising or lowering a patient's bed is well established in the literature.  I just rewrote the article as a stub with 16 references, all of which are peer reviewed medical journals.  I would be open to renaming the article as something else to avoid any association with Fletcher's unproven fringe theories.  Andrew327 00:15, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Question: do the new sources describe this practice as therapy? AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:19, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The proper way to handle that situation is to mention inclining the bed in the "Therapy" section of the relevant articles. For example, articles on mechanical ventilation, congestive heart failure, and gastroesophageal reflux disease might all mention inclining the patient's bed as a component of therapy. In each of those conditions, the physiologic rationale for inclining the patient's bed is different. It doesn't really make sense to have a separate article on "inclined bed therapy", because there is no unifying rationale here. MastCell Talk 03:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yup, that makes sense. Otherwise, one could argue for a general 'put the patient in bed therapy' article too... AndyTheGrump (talk)
 * ...and yup, I've just discovered we have one already: Bed rest... AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:34, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I just moved the well sourced content of Inclined Bed Therapy to bed rest. Would anyone object to changing the IBT article to a redirect to that section?  Andrew327 20:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Rename or delete Beds are inclined for various treatment reasons. I cannot check the sources as they are closed access but they seem not to call the practice "inclined bed therapy". Also the sources given may not meet WP:MEDRS. I agree with Andrew that there are multiple practices introduced in this single article. All of these practices involve inclining a bed for some reason but it is not part of a uniform therapy backed by a single physiological motivation. All content about tilting of beds should not be grouped together here.  Blue Rasberry    (talk)   20:46, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment a redirect to the new section in the article bed rest (as it stands) as suggested and created by User:Andrewman327 may not be a bad idea and I do not object to this suggestion if consensus can be found in this direction. Ochiwar (talk) 21:03, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Merge (✅) + redirect - Looks like it's already been merged to a section on bed rest, so yes may as well delete this page leaving redirect now. Lesion  ( talk ) 10:14, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.