Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Independence Park (Johor Bahru)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 06:19, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Independence Park (Johor Bahru)

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This page was restored from a redirect as "plainly notable" but unfortunately I do not see that reflected in either the article's sourcing or the available sources. Of the sources listed in the article, one is a blog, one is a tourist listing, and two are simple directory listings. The only one potentially usable is the Citizens Journal source. My own search has only turned up blog posts, directory listings, and mentions in listicle-style articles like "6 parks in Johor to get away from hustle and bustle of the city." ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)Talk to Me! 04:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Malaysia-related deletion discussions. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)Talk to Me! 04:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep I added more sources since this discussion was started. This is a 31-acre park and the largest in a city of 1.7 million. The fact that it is harder to find sources in English is an example of the bias we have in covering all notable subjects. I added the "blogs" to give the context that this is not an obscure location and there should be a presumption of much more non-English coverage. MB 17:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * With due respect to the possibility of non-English sources, I'm not sure that the sources you've added do much for notability. Getting the obvious issue out of the way: Citizen journalism sites tend to have little editorial oversight. That's not a disqualifier in-and-of-itself, but the three CJ sources you added aren't about the park, they're about other events - The park itself is just named in a passing mention. I think the academic article does contribute to notability, but by my analysis its the only source in the article that does so. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)Talk to Me! 18:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Things that happen in the park demonstrate that it is a cultural center of the city which contributes to an expectation of notability. Notability can be made with as little as one very good source, or with a collection of sources taken in context. MB 19:33, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:57, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep There are multiple secondary sources in any language for the article already, thus it fulfills the threshold for notability already as per WP:GNG Chongkian (talk) 00:25, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * WP:GNG requires more than just "secondary sources" - The coverage needs to be reliable and significant, and only one (arguably two) of the sources meet all the criteria. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)Talk to Me! 00:54, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Named natural features are often notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist per WP:GEOLAND. And I have also:
 * - added another secondary sources from Nestle website, where it talks specifically about this park. Nestle is reliable website and the coverage of the park is significant
 * - added its history section
 * - added infobox & fill up all of the available information
 * - added external section
 * - added its area information & its citation
 * - added two other categories
 * - added another WikiProject categorization
 * - moved coordinate inside infobox Chongkian (talk) 09:29, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I note that many English-language sources do not translate the name of this park, so this search is relevant. There seem to be at least four publications found there with significant coverage. Phil Bridger (talk) 17:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep per WP:GEOLAND and improvements made by . Haueirlan (talk) 15:03, 3 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep. For clarity, could the article state that "Taman" means "park" and "Merdeka" means "independence" in Malaysian Malay, if that is true?  Malaysia has many languages.  I also wonder if the article should be moved to "Taman Merdeka" as that may be the most common name used for it, even in English-language publications. --Doncram (talk) 21:17, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, we can write the meaning of the park name in a 'Name' section of the article. If we were to rename this page, it should be at least be named to Merdeka Park (maintaining the name Merdeka), but use English word of park. Chongkian (talk) 00:57, 5 October 2022 (UTC)


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