Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Independent Albania


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. No consensus exists whether an article should be deleted because many of its components can be found in other articles. None was found here, despite compelling arguments by both sides. NativeForeigner Talk 03:00, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Independent Albania

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Independent Albania isn't a subject but a compilation of various parts of other articles(Albanian Vilayet, All-Albanian Congress, Assembly of Vlorë, Albanian Declaration of Independence etc.). The actual article for this period in Albania's history is the Provisional Government of Albania. That being said there was never a country named independent Albania, nor did any such entity regardless of the name ever exist. The author created the article on the premise that there was a state that encompassed parts of modern Albania, Kosovo, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Greece between 1912-4, however, Albania was internationally recognized as a state in 1913(Treaty of London) and its borders were more or less the same as today. None of the sources used in the article mention the supposed subject of the article, not to mention that most of the article consists of parts of other articles and not the supposed article itself. Note that the author (Antidiskriminator) has a record of creating inappropriate articles regarding Albania (Articles for deletion/Myth of Albanian Indifference to Religion) — ZjarriRrethues —  talk 11:47, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. I am the creator and main contributor to this article. The topic of this article is a state which independence was declared on 28 November 1912 . That is notable topic regardless of the fact that it was not internationally recognized. This is not article about:
 * its government - (Provisional Government of Albania)
 * "period in Albania's history",
 * Principality of Albania --Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:03, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * There was no such unrecognized or recognized state and the Provisional Government of Albania was the one that participated in the Treaty of London. If I were to remove all the parts of the article that have nothing to do with the supposed subject, I'd have to blank out the whole article.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 13:13, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "Note that author (Antidiskriminator)" created numerous articles related to this topic, many of them being included in the template about history of state Albania. Here are some of them: Sanjak of Albania, Albanian Revolt of 1911, Albanian Revolt of 1912, Albanian Vilayet, Albanian Congress of Trieste, International Commission of Control, International Gendarmerie - GA, Peasant Revolt in Albania, Bulgarian occupation of Albania, Autonomous Albanian Republic of Korçë - GA, Republic of Central Albania, Committee for the National Defence of Kosovo, Kararname (League of Prizren), Assembly of Vlorë, Black Society for Salvation, Themistokli Gërmenji..."Author (Antidiskriminator)" is probably the most active participant of WikiProject Albania. Most of 36 DYK articles I wrote are part of this project.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:20, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Most of the articles you started had to be corrected because of the many POVs that existed, not to mention the articles that haven't yet been corrected. That being said please don't deflect the issues of the AfD by trying to focus on irrelevant points.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 13:46, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. I even received many awards for my editing.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 14:54, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 15:59, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Much of what is in the article is already in other articles. This article doesn't really include anything new.--Gaius Claudius Nero (talk) 18:19, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Apart from its point of origin, already adequately covered under Albanian Declaration of Independence, this temporary unrecognized state had no significant history prior to the Conference of London, where the history of the modern Albanian state begins.--Kenji Yamada (talk) 09:43, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * This state had significant history prior to the Conference of London. I already started expansion of history section and expect to complete it in several days.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Every section of the article already exists in other articles and there was no state called Independent Albania.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 18:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Sources say that independent Albania existed in period 1912—1914. It had an assmebly, members of assembly, government, members of government and senate. Every single of them has its own article. Alternative names are explained in the article, within Name section. If you want to propose renaming the article there is a procedure for it. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 18:21, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Antidiskriminator, can you explain what would be the problem with simply including the information you're adding in Albania and History of Albania? As things stand now, the Declaration of Independence in Vlorë is cited as an event in the history of the modern Republic in the article on that subject. It would be inconsistent to leave that standing and also describe this "Independent Albania" as a state distinct from the modern Republic by giving it its own article.--Kenji Yamada (talk) 00:22, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Independent Albania is a state distinct from modern Republic.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 12:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

(unindent):None of the sources mention this subject and all of its sections are already covered in other articles.-- — ZjarriRrethues — talk 20:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. All sources used in the article refer to state established on 28 November 1912, its history, parliament, senate, government, stamps, anniversaries, parliamentary system of government...
 * You are right that all of its sections are already covered in other articles. I tried to follow WikiProject Former countries/Structure where every section has its main article template. That is not valid argument for deleting the article. On the contrary. There are hundreds of articles about this state, about the parliament of independent Albania, its government, senate, every single minister, every single member of the parliament (which are considered as founding fathers in Albania because they founded independent Albania), its partition, its proclamation,.... Why would we delete the article about the state? --Antidiskriminator (talk) 22:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   20:52, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. 147.8.246.68 (talk) 08:42, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. Many elements of this article have simply been repeated. This article includes nothing much new.  Uhlan  talk  04:45, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep. Does give more insight than the separated related articles offer. The whole is bigger than the sum of parts. SpeakFree (talk)(contribs) 23:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.