Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Independent Colleges


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The result was Keep; inherently notable as a degree granting institution. I've moved it to Independent College Dublin as that seems to be what it is branded as. &mdash; Alison (Crazytales) (talk) 20:39, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Independent Colleges

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Unremarkable small independent college. Article is written like and advert and unreferenced. Simple Boba.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 11:58, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. Can't find anything about it from WP:RS online. Mr. Credible (talk) 12:10, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —Simple Boba.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 13:35, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Merge to Independent News & Media if you can't find sources. Dennis Brown (talk) 14:36, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep The Irish Independent described the new college on January 7, 2008. Add "Dublin" to the Google search terms.  There is a very strong presumption that a degree-awarding institution of higher learning is notable, even if relatively new and small, and with a name that is not very distinctive in Google searches. Cullen328 (talk) 16:29, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The Irish Independent owns the college, so it's no surprise that it would feature in an article in the paper. Although the paper itself is notable enough, that doesn't automatically to extend to everything associated with it. --Simple Boba.k.a. The Spaminator (Talk) 19:07, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Although that is true, I still believe that pretty much all legitimate institutions of higher learning are presumed to be notable. I also think that there is sufficient differentiation between a newspaper and a college both owned by a media company that a neutral article written by that paper's news staff can be used to establish notability.  If the article is blatantly promotional and differs from the paper's coverage of other similar colleges, then I would ignore the coverage.  In this case, it resembles their coverage of other small Dublin colleges.  Cullen328 (talk) 19:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment All accredited institutions are, but not unaccredited. (You can open up a clown college in your basement, that doesn't make it notable).  In this instance, the citation from the Irish Independent would fail WP:V as they are not independent of the subject matter.  Would be fine to use as refs as much as you would any primary source, but not to establish notability.   Dennis Brown (talk) 19:51, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Response I disagree, as the Irish Independent has Editorial independence from the media company that owns it. That newspaper is not a house organ for this college.  Small and new as this educational institution is, I do not believe it helpful to compare it to a clown college.  It offers graduate and postgraduate degrees in law and accounting, for example. Cullen328 (talk) 20:12, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Didn't mean to compare it to a clown college, simply meant to say that anyone can call any venture a "college" legally. That was just the smallest venture that entered my mind.  Had I thought that, I wouldn't have !voted to merge above.  The issue is finding independent sources, which I have attempted, and concluded that the institution exists but may yet be short of the criteria for inclusion as a separate article here.  Dennis Brown (talk) 20:16, 21 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - we have long accepted first degree-awarding institutions as notable and this one also awards post-graduate degrees and has a Law Faculty which are normally notable in their own right. I would add that we don't delete likely notable subjects for the lack of sources; we clean then up and tag for improvement. TerriersFan (talk) 18:28, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Baseball   Watcher  22:14, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sumsum2010 · T · C  22:18, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Since the policy is to treat all high schools/secondary schools and above as notable, I don't think it is reasonable not to accept the Independent Colleges. The paucity of reliable sources is surely then relevant to the deletion discussion only if there is serious doubt that these colleges are what they claim to be, and they are adequate for that. Qualifax, for example, cited as a source, is part of the National Qualifications Authority of Ireland and lists courses there. The fact that the colleges are not actually awarding the qualifications works in their favour. Schools, for example, enter candidates for external examination, as do many colleges, whilst the ones to look out for are the institutions claiming to offer their own qualifications without any indepndent scrutiny. --AJHingston (talk) 00:30, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.