Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Independent Order of Odd Fellows Philippines


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 01:39, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Independent Order of Odd Fellows Philippines

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Does not pass WP:GNG. No indication of notability upon searching. Most references cited are unreliable (including references to English and Finnish Wikipedia articles on the same topic). The only reliable independent source found is.

Primary contributor (User:Louieblakesarmiento) cites his own blog in the article. Probably a breach of WP:USERG. Article is mainly promotional and WP:POV-ed. Main contributor seems to be intimately connected with the organization, and may be acting under WP:COI. Moray An Par (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. Moray An Par (talk) 08:54, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 23:43, 26 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:08, 2 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete complete lack of reliable sources to establish notability for this chapter. a lot of the sources used are not reliable. nor is quoting other WP articles actually a real source. LibStar (talk) 07:20, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Clean up or userfy - It certainly has some reliable sources, but it is buried in a loss of mess. I think a rescue is possible.  This is not a single chapter, but rather a national organization. Bearian (talk) 20:15, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. Uses only primary sources. The seemingly independent reliable sources verify incidental information (i.e. they are not about the subject). I would have also suggested a limited merge with the main article, except that Independent Order of Odd Fellows doesn't have a section where it might fit in.--  Obsidi♠n   Soul   20:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

This page is not aimed for promotion but for historical documentation. I, Louie S. Sarmiento, did an academic research on the history of Odd Fellowship in the Philippines and I am one of its primary historians in the 21st Century. The sources are not mainly based on my own research and writings. Its history in the 19th Century such as in 1872 can be found in the book, History and Geography of the Philippine Islands, written by Major O.W. Coursey and published in 1903. The historical statements about the history in 1898 can be found in the book, History of the Independent Order of Odd Fellows in the City of San Francisco, written by Peter Sellars and published in 2007. Historical statements about 1903 can be found in the book, Official History of Odd Fellowshhip: The Three Link Fraternity, published and updated by the Sovereign Grand Lodge yearly or every 50 years. The statement about 1926 can be found in a historical document, the Roster of Members of Manila Lodge no.1 that still exists now and in a museum. The modern history is an account of the modern happenings and an official Odd Fellows charter exists which can verify the existence of Kapatirang Watchdog Lodge no.1 and Kapatirang Mindanaon Lodge no.2, same as the encampment and Canton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louieblakesarmiento (talk • contribs) 01:40, 7 July 2011 (UTC) Louie's comment was refactored. Please place your comments/responses after the existing comments. Moray An Par (talk) 07:32, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

The modern history was published in the California Odd Fellow and Rebekah Magazine, Volume 59, no.1, in March 2010. Cite: Odd Fellowship in the Philippines. (2010, March). California Odd Fellow and Rebekah, 59, 1, 8. Libstar has personal issues about the Odd Fellows and has tried many times destroying the reputation of the said fraternal organization by criticizing and making so many allegations. We should be scholarly and work towards peace. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Louieblakesarmiento (talk • contribs) 15:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Please see Notability (organizations and companies). In order to justify inclusion in Wikipedia, you need to meet the criteria outlined in that page and more importantly, you need to prove it.


 * Primary sources (sources published by the subject itself like the two you just mentioned) also do not prove notability and are not considered reliable sources for most purposes. See WP:42.


 * Lastly, the tone of the article is promotional. As an editor with a conflict of interest (close to the subject matter), you probably can not see this. This is why COI editing is discouraged, because people closely connected to the subject are seldom able to maintain an objective tone. The entire article, honestly, reads like a pamphlet. Please remember that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Even if you were able to prove notability, huge parts of the article will still most likely be removed for being inappropriate.--  Obsidi♠n   Soul   15:31, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.