Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indian footballer who played abroad


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Mkativerata (talk) 23:41, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Indian footballer who played abroad

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 * Note to closing admin: The article has twice been moved since this AfD was started. The article is now at List of Indian footballers who have played abroad, and there are redirects at List of Indian footballer who played abroad and Indian footballer who played abroad. If the result of the discussion is delete, please delete all three of them. JamesBWatson (talk) 07:51, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Article is original research, predicated on Wikipedia editor's research indicating that these four players have "made the cut to foreign club." ScottyBerg (talk) 16:51, 28 September 2011 (UTC) Based on the citation that was just added to the article,, I'm convinced now that the article is not based on original research. However, I have strong doubts that the article in its present form is the correct way to go. I agree that a list might be better. ScottyBerg (talk) 18:08, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Doesn't quite seem like OR since quite a bit of it is legitimately sourced. That being said, it is an essay and is duplicating content seen at each player's page.  Since this page hasn't been around for long perhaps a ' Userfy' would be friendlier. Several Times (talk) 17:10, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete and merge any useful content (that isn't duplicated) to the article for the player in question. The article looks like it should be actually called List of Indian footballers who have played abroad.  Problem is the article itself suggests that there are only 4. In my opinion that doesn't really make a list of any worth. Pit-yacker (talk) 17:20, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Having checked a bit further, it appears the player descriptions are cut and paste from the articles for each player (with very minimal edit) so there is no information that isn't available elsewhere. Pit-yacker (talk) 19:05, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah. In that case, Delete. That would indicate that there isn't much worth salvaging here, even for the article creator. §everal⇒|Times 19:12, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete Based on ST's reasoning. (Without prejudice towards the creation of a properly formed list on a similar topic.) Mark Arsten (talk) 19:47, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete I don't think that this is a subject of note - so many football players play (or have played) outside of their country of birth that it would need to be demonstrated via citation that Indian nationals doing so was somehow culturally significant or had an impact of the footballing world. ŞůṜīΣĻ ¹98¹ Speak 10:57, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:50, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - not notable enough; the relevant category suffices. GiantSnowman 13:52, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Thanks for ur comment ,i want to mention here that all the information present in the article is 100% true and in most of the cases reference was provided in the article.And above user says that article should be called List of Indian footballers who have played abroad agreed,name of article has been named as u have mentioned above.Ands it was mentioned above that most of the line are duplicated,i want to make it clear i'm the one who put those line in that article and then i go on to copy that in this article.if want to delete then go first and delete those lines present in Baichung Bhutia ,Varin Mehta page.By the way thanks for OSCAR nomination. Preetam040 (talk) 15:24, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as I can see the only part of that comment which seeks to give reason for keeping is "all the information present in the article is 100% true". However, the fact that something is true is not sufficient grounds for having a Wikipedia article about it. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:29, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Main aim of wikipedia is to provide the right information to User and for that reference is required which was present in article.So i see no reason to debate on this.If we say like this that something is true is not sufficient grounds for having a Wikipedia article  then nearly 90% of article or list whatever you say should be deleted.Preetam040 (talk) 17:38, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Patently wrongCurb Chain (talk) 11:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep - Why would we want to take this page down. At this moment in time it is very rare to see Indians go abroad in football. I agree that the information that was copied and pasted should not be there but we should still keep this article as a list of some sorts. Also if you think about where is the first place a new football fan would go to learn about the game. Wikipedia of course and if that fan wanted to know about Indian Football (which more fans in India are doing now a days) then this article/list would be the perfect place to go. Imagine how a fan from India in the future would feel to look at this page and see that an India was or is playing for a big club like Manchester United or Chelsea or even (as much as I hate to say it) Barcelona. They would love it. So ya this page is perfect for new fans who may want to know more about Indian footballers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 17:50, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:ITSUSEFUL is not a valid argument to keep. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:52, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete, this should be a category, not an article. - The Bushranger One ping only 19:52, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see the point of this list.  Looks like POV pushing to me.Curb Chain (talk) 14:39, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep, I don't see any point for deletion,just give a look it gives a good feel.Only demerit of this List is that some points are copied,but overall the tabulation and reference provided there is something impressed me, a big 'YES' for this article........Kumarsaurav1 (talk) 15:42, 3 October 2011 (UTC) — Kumarsaurav1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * "It gives a good feel" and "there is something impressed me" are not reasons for keeping. You may like to read WP:ILIKEIT.

JamesBWatson (talk) 16:20, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * "I mean to say by that that it was represented in a way that u really like to study this list article & in this small list article a lot of reference is given so there is no doubt over the research made by the the creater and editor....Kumarsaurav1 (talk) 17:47, 3 October 2011 (UTC) — Kumarsaurav1 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.


 * Delete I agree with prior comments that this could be a valid category, but as an article it appears to push a nationalist POV. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:42, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * This article is so intresting that many wikipedian has participated in this article just think if people will see this article they will get amused.take this in positive way,by the name of article only it is known that it is important one.....Kumarsaurav1 (talk) 05:09, 4 October 2011 (UTC) — Kumarsaurav1 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Unfortunately "it's interesting" and "people will be amused to see such an article" are not reasons for keeping an article. Have you taken the advice above to read WP:ILIKEIT? JamesBWatson (talk) 07:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * See also WP:ITSUSEFUL. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:45, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete per . Not notable enough. I agree with that the only reason this article could stay is it is 100% true. But being 100% true itself does not make it notable enough to stay. &mdash;  Abhishek   Talk  09:56, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. An essay which is verifiable doesn't automatically make it notable. I see nothing worth keeping here. Argyle 4 Life  talk  12:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as above or Convert to a category or Rewrite so it's clear whether Indian means of Indian nationality, of Indian birth, of Indian ethnicity or something else again. Stuartyeates (talk) 07:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. From a worldwide point of view, this article may not really be notable, let alone interesting. From an Indian POV, however, it is quite notable, since very few make it to notable clubs (also, due to some kind of fascination with the West, it gets highlighted). Some of the foreign clubs mentioned over there, are in fact even less notable than Indian clubs, so there is nothing worth saving in this article really. A list of just 3-4 entries is not really useful is it. Delete for now, with an option of a similar article being open for creation anytime in the future.  Lynch 7  20:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.