Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indonesia–Serbia relations


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. May be restored if additional substantial sources concerning this relationship are found.  Sandstein  06:30, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Indonesia–Serbia relations

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Aside from the Tito-Sukarno friendship (already mentioned at Non-Aligned Movement) and Indonesian non-recognition of Kosovo (amply detailed at International recognition of Kosovo), there seems to be nothing here; hence, we should delete. Biruitorul Talk 15:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep That different parts ares included in    other articles is no reason not to also put it in a more comprehensive summary one. No evidence that a search for additional material, such as trade between the countries, has been made. DGG (talk) 16:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What you're proposing is turning this article into a coatrack: "The Indonesian and Yugoslav dictators were friends. 50 years later, Indonesia refused to recognise Kosovo's independence". That's not permitted by policy. - Biruitorul Talk 16:46, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Please read policies before trying to apply them. That Indonesia and Serbia have had a notable relationship that's covered a variety of grounds doesn't have anything to do with coatracking, which is where you claim an article is about one thing but it's about something else.  The nonaligned movements, the backing of Serbia over separatist regions because of Indonesias concerns, et cetera, are all aspects of their long relationship.
 * No, there are no other aspects than those two, and it makes far more sense to cover them under Foreign relations of Communist Yugoslavia and International recognition of Kosovo than to have a coatrack combining both (and it would be a coatrack in the absence of nothing else to say). Plus, what connection there is between the SFRY of 1955 and the Serbia of 2008 is also something to ponder. - Biruitorul Talk 18:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - usual, meets and exceeds WP:N.  +  +  +  as well as that already discuseed. Wily D  18:09, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * All those sources refer to Kosovo, which is already covered (except one, which is about a meaningless declaration). - Biruitorul Talk 18:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Fails WP:N and not a directory. Foreign relations of the 203 sovereign countries are best discussed in the article about the country, or a standalone article if a major country, rather than in 20,000 such binary stubs. A link to the country's foreign ministry website will provide more up-to-date info than a robostub created and neglected. Edison (talk) 19:19, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: WikiProject International relations has some well thought out advice (see WikiProject International relations) for when bilateral relations between two nations are notable. This article does not even assert to meet any of them. This sort of material should just be covered in the articles of each nation if it is even notable enough to do so.Locke9k (talk) 21:17, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Non-notable, not likely to be found so. This article borders on being a mere dictionary entry. -- Blue Squadron  Raven  16:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete no reliable sources independent of the subjects establish this is a notable relationship.Bali ultimate (talk) 17:35, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - Should be expanded to cover Indonesia–Yugoslavia relations. + 2 x resident ambassador, state visits. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 05:42, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.