Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indonesia at the 2016 Asian Beach Games


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The principal argument for keeping this page was that a consensus should first be sought whether having multiple subpages for individual nations was an acceptable way of organising the material, and then either keep, or delete them all together. I sympathise with this position, but the fact is that it has no support in policy. The current policy position is that every page must stand or fall on its own merits. Subpages are not recognised in mainspace. In fact, the technical ability to create subpages in mainspace has been disabled because of the community's desire not to have them. This means that every page must individually establish notability, regardless of whatever other article it is associated with.

The delete camp therefore has a policy based argument whereas the keep camp does not. It is not for the delete camp to call for an RFC first on the whole group of articles. Far from it. Rather, it is for the keep camp to start a policy discussion to change the current subpage/subarticle policies. As the policy currently stands, it is perfectly possible that some at articles will be established as notable and others will not. SpinningSpark 18:30, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Indonesia at the 2016 Asian Beach Games

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Fails WP:GNG notability and WP:NOTSTATS. - MrX 13:18, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Other country articles in 2016 Asian Beach Games should be nominated too. Yogwi21 (talk) 14:00, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, however that's complicated, and I don't have time now to do it.- MrX
 * Keep Notable international event. However, if the page is sparse in a year or so, I say nuke them all. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 14:22, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * This is not an article about an event. It's and article about a country at an event. Absent sufficient reliable, independent sources, it fails WP:GNG.- MrX 14:54, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose dealing with the individual article at AFD. I find a large number of articles of the format "(country) at the (year) (Asian Games/Asian Winter Games/Asian Beach Games/Asian Indoor and Martial Arts Games/Asian Beach Games/Asian Youth Games)". For example India_at_the_2011_Asian_Winter_Games. None of the articles appear to have significant individual sourcing other than for the raw stats. I suggest an RFC on Talk:Asian_Games to evaluate these articles as a group. Either they are all reasonable as subpages to organize Asians Games coverage, or they are likely all individually non-notable. (Note this is a repeat of my comment at WP:Articles_for_deletion/Palestine_at_the_2016_Asian_Beach_Games). Alsee (talk) 19:35, 25 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:58, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 00:58, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:50, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Either nominate all or don't. Don't single some out. Pwolit iets (talk) 17:25, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTSTATS and fails WP:GNG. — Yellow Dingo&#160;(talk) 06:24, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment There are lots (hundreds; maybe even more) of similar articles like these for sports events. There is no point in singling one out and delete it, that would open a can of worms. Instead there should be some kind of community discussion about what to do with articles like that and action should be decided there for all articles of this kind. Otherwise AFD will get spammed with articles like that. I also want to add that I am very sure that Indonesian media covered the countries participation in this major sporting event, therefore I dont think this article would necessary fail WP:GNG if looked up in Indonesian media. Dead Mary (talk) 23:46, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.