Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Indonesian British


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  MBisanz  talk 10:03, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Indonesian British

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Following the previous trainwreck mass-nomination Articles for deletion/Afghan British, I've been trying to consider the huge number of unsourced human migration articles individually (it's not just the ones about Britain; other editors have created an equally huge number of articles about immigrants in Latin America). This one appears unsalvageable; I can't find any reliable sources which discuss the topic non-trivially. The BBC's Born Abroad section, covering near 50 countries which supply migrants to the UK, doesn't have a separate page for Indonesians. Also tried the usual combination of search terms on google, in both English and Indonesian, like:
 * Indonesian (s/students/migrants/immigrants/workers/migrant workers/community) in (London/the UK/the United Kingdom/Britain/England)
 * (Orang/Pelajar/Imigran/Masyarakat) Indonesia di (London/Kerajaan Inggris/UK/United Kingdom/Britain), BMI di (London/etc.)
 * Immigration from Indonesia to (London/etc.), imigrasi dari Indonesia ke (London/etc.)

Furthermore, all the statements in this article which might represent a claim to notability appear to be false. Per the OECD table cited, the UK has only about 6,000 Indonesian-born foreigners living within its borders, not 20,000 as this article claims, and the Indonesians fleeing from Suharto mostly went to the Netherlands (the former colonial power), not the UK. And of course, the title is a neologism. cab (talk) 13:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination. I'm glad that someone else is paying attention to all of these articles, given my comments here. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:47, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and above. ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 15:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - no reliable source for notability.--Boffob (talk) 15:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:36, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Indonesia-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ethnic groups-related deletion discussions.   -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:37, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - as per my comments at the trainwreck mass Afd as mentioned by the nom - and also my comment at the talk page of the article itself - the title, and the inference from the title are not something that the individuals who are ascribed such an identity could relate to - and although there are Indonesians in Britain - I have not seen an ethnic identification by them or their community in my limited understanding of the community (well away from google it must be noted - someone should at least try clusty as a double check) - there is and have been individuals or small groups in the UK at universities and other institutions for the time since independence - as to a sufficiently or adequately coherent enough community to have public domain WP:RS about them I would not rely on web based sources for a start - I would suspect that library holdings at SOAS would be more likely to have either individual accounts of the experience of Indonesians in the UK - rather than collective expressions. SatuSuro 12:49, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - well done and thanks Gene93k in getting the projects covered - wish we had more thorough cross project listing like that, more often at afds SatuSuro 13:09, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry and a thanks to Gene93k from me too, I used to usually remember to do my own delsorting, but not after my wikibreak =( cab (talk) 13:16, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Another round of applause for wikibreaks - the ultimate cure for many afflictions in life SatuSuro 08:45, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.