Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inducted members of the International Hockey Hall of Fame


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete, WP:V, WP:NOR. RasputinAXP  c  17:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Inducted members of the International Hockey Hall of Fame
I have not been able to find any references that this is factual. The IHHOF does not make any references to inductees other than inductees to the Hockey Hall of Fame (e.g. here they mention Sutherland was inducted to the HHOF.)  I asked for references on the talk page in May, and nothing has come up. -- JamesTeterenko 02:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Keep -- Here is a list of the inducted members --Khatores 05:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)  It does appear that the article references Wikipedia. That was an oversight on my part. Apparently that's what voting at 3 am will do for you. --Khatores 20:11, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment Ummm, Khatores... the articles on Answers.com are direct copies of the ones from Wikipedia. I want to see some REAL references. DMighton 05:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge to the IHHOF article if some sourcing can be found, Delete in any event. Given that their own website doesn't make any mention of such inductions, I don't expect any proof to come up at this stage in the game.  RGTraynor 15:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: this link shows that it really exists. Stephen B Streater 16:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Please elaborate why you include that link for evidence. That link is the induction announcement for the Hockey Hall of Fame, not the International Hockey Hall of Fame.  If you are referring to Herb Brooks being inducted into the IIHF Hall of Fame, that is yet another organization altogether run by the International Ice Hockey Federation.  See this link for info about the IIHF Hall of Fame.   The inductees and dates are very different than that of the page being nominated for deletion.  -- JamesTeterenko 18:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. It doesn't seem that notable to me so far. I'll post here if I find definitive secondary sources for this list. Stephen B Streater 20:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Main website and Encyclopaedia entry. Haven't found a list of members yet. Stephen B Streater 22:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete unless real verification can be found. BoojiBoy 19:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Need verification, which could easily be obtained by the creator of this article by contacting the IHHF directly. --Khatores 22:20, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: I created this page, I got all this info from visiting the International Hockey Hall of Fame in Kingston.  These were the players inducted into the International Hockey Hall of Fame located in Kingston during the era when the NHL was a partner in this hall plus the 1966 inductions which were not recognized by the Toronto based NHL Hockey Hall of Fame.  After the NHL seized support in 1958 for this Hockey Hall of Fame to establish the NHL Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto and were making inductions on there own for there Toronto based hall they decided to recogize all (with one exception stated below) the International Hockey Hall of Fame's inductions as also being inducted into theres,  therfore these players are recognized as being inducted into both halls.  Officially the actual inductions in the years stated was inducted into this Kingston based hall not the Toronto based hall.  With the exception of Bill Goheen (inducted in 1952) who received a life time ban from the NHL in the 1930's as a player due to a conflict with then NHL president Frank Calder and the 1966 inductions which were after the NHL seized support for this hall--JohnnyCanuck 01:50, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: This International Hockey Hall of Fame is NOT the same as the International Ice Hockey Federation Hall of Fame--JohnnyCanuck 02:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The link above from the Canadian encyclopedia states that the IHHOF, "...has inducted, with one exception (Fred J. "Bun" Cook), the same players, builders and referees as the HOCKEY HALL OF FAME in Toronto." So far, that is the best reference I have seen.  However, it does not completely match up with the article, since Busher Jackson and Bill Goheen are not covered by that statement.  Also, it does not explicitly state that the overlap ended in 1952.  With JohnnyCanuck's admission that it was original research, I still think it needs to be deleted.  For now, it lacks verifiability.  -- JamesTeterenko 03:43, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Keep: Added a few sources, The International Hockey Hall of Fame and was the place that the first 40 NHL inductees gained entrance to the NHL Hall Source for Dan Bain Source for Mickey Mackay--JohnnyCanuck 06:08, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Here's another source Source for Capt. James T. Sutherland--JohnnyCanuck 06:22, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The very first source does not verify the content of the page in question.  It states that Kingston is the home of the IHHOF and is says that Kingston is the place where the induction of the first 40 members of the NHL sponsored HHOF was done.  I do not dispute either of those facts.  That reference does not explicity say that members were inducted into the IHHOF.  I believe that the essence of the dispute is what institution where the first 40 inducted into at the time.  It is very clear that the HHOF claims that they were inducted into that institution.  It appears that you are claiming that they were inducted into the IHHOF and the HHOF then assumed that history.  As of now, you have not provided a reliable source that says this.  I still believe that the article in question should be deleted.  The other sources provided are only about single individuals, and do not represent a full picture.  The fact that the IHHOF itself does not appear to make a claim to those inductions, you will have to provide a very solid source for me to be convinced that it is legitimate.  -- JamesTeterenko 19:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Keep: per JohnnyCanuck, as sources in now provided that the inductions took place and a few sources for some of the individual inductees. --YoungWebster 04:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge Merge into IHHoF article. DMighton 16:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep Verification now provided by creator of page above, also lesser know US Hall as similar page List of members of the United States Hockey Hall of Fame--SupermanAboveTO 17:35, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * User's 10th edit. -- JamesTeterenko 22:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
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