Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Infamous Gaming


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  21:40, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Infamous Gaming

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Non-notable esports team. Half the sources currently in use just basically note their appearance in a tournament, while the other half are unreliable (and thus unusable) per WP:VG/RS. The team themselves have not won or done anything of note (outside of a few upset wins at a single tournament, which obviously does not warrant an entire article), nor do they have any notable players on their roster. So unless better sources exist in Spanish (as the team is based in Peru), I'm nominating this article for deletion. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:57, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * The feedback is appreciated here and spanish language articles have been added from the peruvian media to improve the quality of the article. South America has a smaller esports community than North America, Europe and Southeast Asia, so the groups relative weight in that community may be broader than in English-language media. The group has a history of competing in international tournaments, but the weight of the "The International" is partially because the prize pool is so large (~35million vs under 1m for most others). Participating in that competition is also relatively prized such that being included gives a sort of "Top X teams in the world" weight. Only 2 teams in the wiki article for the 2019 tournament do not have current wikipedia entries (apart from infamous). Non-media references here have been restricted only to the inclusion of liquipedia due to its extensive and structured information regarding tournament results, prize monies, participants etc. However, per your recommendation, spanish (and english) language articles supporting specific events have been added from local news-media sources. There are notable professional players on the team roster both currently and formerly, at least notable enough within the community to merit interviews and news articles about signing and dropping of players. However, they are certainly not notable enough to merit their own sections or pages at this time. Azurex120 (talk) 16:35, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * While I'm not sure how reliable the Spanish sources are, they at least helped more than the ones that are decidedly unreliable per WP:VG/RS (being Liquidpedia, EsportsEarnings, and Hotspawn). And while them participating in TI is a notable achievement, your argument being because "only 2 teams in the wiki article for the 2019 tournament do not have current wikipedia entries" basically means Infamous should have one too is not the right way to look at it. We don't have articles for every single Olympic athlete, do we? In any case, the article should probably be kept now, at least after some MOS edits and replacing the sources I removed (which shouldn't be too hard, especially for any TI related ones). ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I found more reliable replacements for the removed esports sources, but didn't replace ones where the results were already double referenced (by a reputable source). Hotspawn to me did seem more of an esports news site, but really its just the one article that was referenced here. At least two of the spanish-language sites are distinguished enough to have their own english wikipages Radio_Programas_del_Perú and El_Comercio_(Peru). Honestly, I'm not terribly familiar with Peruvian news, but they strike me as genuine mainstream news-media. I agree with what you say about the Olympic athletes, and obviously the line is drawn somewhere, but I feel their regional representation makes the cut here. Thanks for your help in this! If you have recommendations for MOS edits, let me know what you're thinking. Azurex120 (talk) 16:36, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:00, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:00, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Peru-related deletion discussions. North America1000 02:00, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep There seems to be is some decent coverage in El Comercio (Peru), Perú.21 , and La República , enough to meet WP:GNG. The article needs to be cleaned out of unreliable esports sources. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 11:51, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:04, 19 December 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Happy Festivities! //  J 947  (c) 20:29, 26 December 2019 (UTC)


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