Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inheritance of Hope


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The result was keep, nom withdrawn. NAC. Cliff smith talk  04:49, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Inheritance of Hope

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Inheritance of Hope is a tiny, new non-profit organization founded last year by two parents. The mother is dying of cancer and its focus is on children whose parents are dying. According to their website, their achievements are publishing two books, holding fundraisers, and taking six families on a weekend retreat. The books are not available through any major bookseller; I presume that they are self-published. The only assertion of notability in the article is having gotten about 250 words in the local-events column of a small local tabloid-newspaper (one-ninth the circulation of The New York Post, another daily tabloid is in the same market). I'm sure they're very nice people, and I wish them peace and joy in their endeavors. However, at this time, the organization does not appear to be meet the minimum requirements of WP:Notability (organizations and companies), so this article is at least premature. The media coverage is essentially a very short human-interest piece in a hometown newspaper. We generally require at least one major story in a regional or national newspaper or magazine. If the organization survives and thrives to the point that it meets WP:N standards, then a Wikipedia article could of course be written at that time, but at this time, it does not meet the minimum requirements. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.   —WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

* Delete as nominator. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:44, 4 September 2008 (UTC) * Comment from article author:
 * '''Per your thoughts above, I have added additional media coverage sources (here) and on the original page. Of note, these sources include "The Ledger,"  a New York Times Affliate in Lakeland, Florida.
 * Cornwall-on-hudson.com, August 26, 2008
 * The Ledger, July 3, 2008
 * Poughkeepsie Journal, June 23, 2008
 * The Sentinel, New Windsor, NY, June 16, 2008
 * Times Herald-Record, June 10, 2008
 * Putnam County News and Recorder, June 4, 2008
 * Sounds from the Hudson, June 2008
 * U.S. Army Bands online, April 22, 2008
 * Cornwall-on-hudson.com, April 21, 2008
 * The Ledger, March 9, 2008'''  —Preceding :unsigned comment added by Edmlr (talk • contribs) 13:35, 4 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you for adding sources. These are all local newspapers (and two that amount to company newsletters for one co-founder).  None of these rise to the level of significant coverage by a regional or national media organization, which is the standard for Wikipedia articles on organizations.  The Ledger article, for example, is a three-paragraph announcement that the founder's twin sister held a small fundraiser for the organization in her home.  Organizations that have articles on Wikipedia are expected to be able to produce national or regional, or at least statewide, media coverage.  A list of short articles in very small newspapers, all of which are in their (or their family member's) immediate backyard, is not enough.  Can you provide any evidence of media coverage that reaches at least across all of New York, or preferably all of New England?  WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Response from article author: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmlr (talk • contribs) 18:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC) I read the information regarding "notability." After reading it, it seems to me that Inheritance of Hope fully meets the requirements. You assert, "We generally require at least one major story in a regional or national newspaper or magazine." I didn't read that requirement. Instead, the link you provided lists the following requirements (bolding is my own): Notable means "worthy of being noted" or "attracting notice." It is not synonymous with "fame" or "importance." ...smaller organizations can be notable, just as individuals can be notable, and arbitrary standards should not be used to create a bias favoring larger organizations. It goes on to say: A company, corporation, organization, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject. The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability. Once notability is established, primary sources may be used to add content. I consider the coverage to be significant, representing multiple sources (under "See Also" in the article), and is not trivial or incidental. Trivial does not apply to articles about Inheritance of Hope based on the following: Works carrying merely trivial coverage; such as (for example) newspaper articles that simply report meeting times or extended shopping hours, or the publications of telephone numbers, addresses, and directions in business directories. In addition and per your request, Inheritance of Hope was recently featured on a broadcast of Sound of Life Radio Heart 2 Heart. Their coverage is quite extensive, covering much of the Northeast (NY, NJ CT, PA, MA, and VT). Their station map can be viewed at: http://www.soundoflife.org/sol/stations.php.


 * Keep as per reasons listed by the author.Demetri1968 (talk) 19:53, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Withdraw nomination.
 * From CORP: "Organizations are usually notable if the scope of activities are national or international in scale..." [emphasis mine]
 * From WP:N (note 6): "Moreover, not all coverage in reliable sources constitutes evidence of notability for the purposes of article creation; for example, directories and databases, advertisements, announcements columns, and minor news stories [emphasis mine] are all examples of coverage that may not actually support notability when examined, despite their existence as reliable sources."
 * The list of sources that you initially provided were all minor news stories by local newspapers. However, I cheerfully accept the newly added assertion of a regional radio broadcast as sufficient indication of notability.  It does not meet the standard requirement of national or international activities, but I think it's good enough.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The list of sources that you initially provided were all minor news stories by local newspapers. However, I cheerfully accept the newly added assertion of a regional radio broadcast as sufficient indication of notability.  It does not meet the standard requirement of national or international activities, but I think it's good enough.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)


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