Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Innosia


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The result was   speedy delete as nn-club.. Stifle (talk) 23:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Innosia

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Article about a 3 year old group which helps people "seek for the path of spiritual journey and influence mass to begin waking up upon the faulty life they have led since beginning" Quick google search gives only the groups webpage Article also focuses a lot on the leader, who is apparently "physic",  Jac16888 (talk) 19:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Speedy delete as per A7. --Woland (talk) 19:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I do not agree with that, as a matter of fact Innosia is a community I joined and quite well known in my circle. As you know, due to the slow growth of internet in this country (Indonesia) we all know that it is hard to internetly well known for Sora Innosia. But, the development of Sora Innosia is done on the real life and on the net not just recently, it just being modified recently to be more legal, and if you do a search in Google you can see innosia.com is already registered long time ago and you can view the cache page of google about it. The foundation name Innosia can be searched through Yahoogroups which mentioned in the articles (join the group so you can know), the discussion involve many development of Innosia. As long ago, Innosia is considered a game development circle, you can easily found Sora Innosia Maze if you do a search before, but due to some reason this group has stopped developing game but instead concentrating on spiritual development, and the fund is gathered from member and through various trading. If you can download the game, you will know, or I could send one to you if you insist so, the game itself has been publicly publish in internet, you can use "Sora Innosia Maze" to search in google, and you can come up with pages about that in many other sites like (http://www.gamedev.net) then play this game and you will know that the game is built by the foundation, also the Sora Innosia's teachings is put inside this game. If you open the page of Sora Innosia Maze in http://www.innosia.com it has been stripped down because of the development is stopped and focus is moved from spreading teachings through community instead of using game, though so you can still see various websites promoting this maze game long ago. Recent development of Sora Innosia group has changed it to be more legal (registered to government) and the site is changed to suit the current vision and mission. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innosia (talk • contribs) 11:39, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Delete - All sources are self referencing, no reliable sources. --Samtheboy (t/c) 20:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay if you say that, then we can also assume that wikipedia is the encyclopedia of cyber, even articles like the name of a character in a series of cartoon animation exist in wikipedia, it is surely that this encyclopedia is not for real life. For your information, the author's work is done in many area, search for John Kenedy binus in google and you can see that he is always bringing innosia with him, and the nick refer from the search in google all to him and his work in various community. The real life reference might be needed for wikipedia, if wikipedia is only looking for information in the net then this encyclopedia must sure be corrupted by information manipulation of the net. The source itself is already reliable, you can see how long the site is built in google cache, in old pages, and his community consist of his classmates and friends before, his work is done in real life and no much spread in the net, this maybe true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innosia (talk • contribs) 07:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)


 * We believe you that your group exists, thats not the issue here, the problem is that your group does not appear to demonstrate any real notability, simply being registered with the government and helping out some people in your community is not enough, you need reliable, independent 3rd party sources that show how your group is notable. Also, it doesn't help that your article is extremely biased, it reads like an advertisement, which it clearly is. Sorry but you're going to have overhaul the article completely to even stand a chance of staying on wikipedia--Jac16888 (talk) 08:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

So can you define me how an article is not an advertisement? From what point of view the article should be written? So i may change the content of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innosia (talk • contribs) 17:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete advertising for a non-notable group. No independant sources. Edward321 (talk) 13:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * First, tell me what exactly the article is about, because it is not at all clear beyond that its a group of some sort--Jac16888 (talk) 17:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

The article is about a community built by a founder name John Kenedy, he is a psychic and social worker, he had built a community that helps his members to grow both in spiritual and mundane life. He works people and merchant to help his community. Though the community is in business, but their real vision of life is the spiritual motivation which is to clean to seek the truth upon their existence. They should strive for current life and also the life after death. The meaning of life is pursued not only in material things but also the love and compassion. Thus he teaches people how to understand themselves by meditating, using his psychic abilities, he can see through people's past life, their karma problems, which hinders most people to be able to understand themselves. While people is helped by him, they often sincerely help Sora Innosia community to grow, some offer donation and some physically helps his work. His teaching is about life, what life is, and why today, people is often stress and depress? What are they lacking in their life? How to once again own the lost happiness? What kind of happiness do we really need? He answered all those by his teachings materials. Every day people he had a class teaches his disciples, some are his closed friends before, and his community is growing helping each other and growing helping people outside of this community by donating helps and also hopes to encourage people to live a meaningful life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Innosia (talk • contribs) 18:08, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


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