Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Insane (BtoB song)


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The result was delete and redirect to BtoB (band). Spartaz Humbug! 19:05, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Insane (BtoB song)

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Fails WP:NSONG and WP:GNG. Also, all Wikipedia-worthy material in the article is already found in the article about the group itself and/or the article about this song's album. I was going to merge it, but I can't see anything to merge. Shinyang-i (talk) 02:46, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Shinyang-i (talk) 02:46, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions.  Everymorning   talk  02:56, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per Shinyang-i Asdklf&#59; (talk) 16:06, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. How does it fail WP:NSONG? It seems to pass criteria 1: "Has been ranked on national or significant music or sales charts.". The song was listed in Gaon Music Chart and Korea K-Pop Hot 100. Those charts are listed in Record_charts. (If anyone replies, please echo me) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:46, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * - is ping the same as echo? Hope I did it right. :)  Anyway, charting is not the criteria for song notability.  Read the line just above the one you quoted and it says "The following factors suggest that a song or single may be notable, though a standalone article should still satisfy the aforementioned criteria", and even if it is notable, there still has to be significant discussion about the song in its article, something that Wikipedia repeatedly says is not possible for most songs.  There has to be something to actually say about it and its significance in the universe.  Even notable songs should nearly always be merged to a larger work, such as an artist, album, or discography article.  WP:SONGS is quite clear on this, as are other parts of WP:NSONG and other music-related guidelines.  This article is about the group's debut (already in the group article and album article), the "promotions" (which are pretty identical for every kpop song and already in the album article), the composition (already in the album article), and a couple of charts.  In kpop, an album/EP and its single are pretty much one and the same; I've done tons of merges of kpop songs back to their albums or EPs, and in the dozens I've done, only like once or twice has there been more than a couple of words or a mention of a chart position that I haven't wound up editing out for redundancy post-merge.  WP:SONGS really hits the nail on the head, at least when it comes to most kpop song articles. :) If you look at the sources, they are nearly all primary - "Daum Music" profile of the song to get info on composition or whatnot, links to youtube videos showing the song being performed (nearly all kpop singles are performed on TV; it doesn't establish notability in any way), and charts.  There was little discussion about the song anywhere in the media.  Shinyang-i (talk) 06:14, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pinging me back; I've struck my vote as I find your explanation compelling.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 06:42, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 10:41, 3 April 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 03:08, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to BtoB (band): Fulfills WP:NSONG (which indicates that it might be notable), but since there is very little coverage in reliable sources, it is overall, not notable. Esquivalience t 03:25, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Shinyang-i's comments. Songs must do more than chart to merit an article. Random86 (talk) 00:48, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. The relevant information is in the articles on the band and their discography. Not useful as a redirect with this title. --Michig (talk) 08:10, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.