Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inspiration, Please!


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. per WP:SNOW, no reason to prolong this discussion now notability is proven and all votes are keep with no active current (non-admin closure) MaxnaCarter (talk) 06:27, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Inspiration, Please!

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Deprodded with sources, but one is just a press release. I could hardly find anything better. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:16, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:16, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep both are valid reliable sources. You can call The Associated Press articles a press release all you want, but they are not. Every time that argument gets used in one of these discussions multiple editors point out that AP articles are valid and not press releases. Not sure why this keeps getting brought up in discussions? Donald D23   talk to me  20:45, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources lists AP as a reliable source per 6 DISCUSSIONS!       Donald D23   talk to me  20:48, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The network it's on doesn't even have an article, and neither does the host. There are literally no links inbound for this page. How much less notable can you get? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:07, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Irrelevant to the fact that there are 2 reliable sources quoted in the article. Donald D23   talk to me  21:23, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * So how will it ever be de-orphaned if there are literally no other articles to possibly link it from? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:24, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Use Orphan as a guideline to de-orphan it. Donald D23   talk to me  21:28, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The network it was on doesn't have a page. The host doesn't have a page. Nobody associated with the show has a page. There is literally no other page to link to it. Do you suggest I just plop it onto some random page just to de-orphan it? I know, let's link it from Main Page! Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:31, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Hallmark Channel does have a page. Odyssey Network was its former name and redirects to it. Donald D23   talk to me  21:35, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * The church it was filmed at, Trinity Church (Manhattan), also has a page. Donald D23   talk to me  21:36, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm still on the fence about its notability, so I'll let this ride. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:45, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The article notes: "The respondents are devoutly wishing for the same thing: a spot on a new cable-television show called "Inspiration, Please!" Billing itself as the first religious quiz show in TV history, "Inspiration, Please!" shuns sultry letter-turners and roulette-style wheels. The show's host is a Christian stand-up comic named Robert G. Lee, whose wife, Anne, calls him "the funny bone in the body of Christ." ... Inspiration, Please!" became a hit last year when it debuted on cable TV's Faith & Values channel, which is partly owned by a unit of cable giant Tele-Communications Inc. of Englewood, Colo. While the program's ratings are puny compared with shows on broadcast networks, Faith & Values says viewer response is strong. So strong, in fact, that the channel has ordered 52 new episodes and plans to make the program a daily feature this fall. ... But the success of "Inspiration, Please!" has made it the lightning rod in a storm over the soul of religious TV.To some viewers and rival religious broadcasters, "Inspiration, Please!" is proof that Faith & Values has sold out to mammon and Hollywood. ... "Inspiration, Please!" is taped in a cramped studio inside the historic 150-year-old Trinity Church on Wall Street in Manhattan."  The article notes: "Think of it as a mix of "Jeopardy!" without the greed, "Wheel of Fortune" without Vanna White, and other popular TV shows without the double entendres. What is left in "Inspiration, Please!" which bills itself as the first Bible quiz show, is an entertaining game that draws upon contestants' knowledge of the Bible and other spiritual resources. ... "Inspiration, Please!" is like a lot of other game shows in style with [Robert G.] Lee standing beside across a podium across from three contestants ready to pounce on buzzers in front of them."  The article notes: "Mann, 42, who shouts the answers while watching Jeopardy, answered an audition call for Inspiration, Please, a name inspired by the old quiz show Information, Please. The first 13 episodes, produced by Trinity Church in Manhattan, are scheduled for taping in mid-July. Beginning in October, they will appear on the Faith and Values Network, an interfaith cable station."  The article notes: "If you answered "lust," "the harp" and "Golgotha," you might be ready to audition for the "Inspiration Please?" TV game show, or at least to test your skills with a new book based on the show. The show, aired daily at 930 a.m. EDT on cable's Odyssey channel, recently completed taping 26 episodes. In November, Morrow will publish "The Inspiration Please? Trivia Quiz Book." A cross between "Trivial Pursuit" and "Wheel of Fortune," the 2-year-old show has won a following by taking a lighter approach to biblical literacy."  The article note: "Unto the Parish of Trinity Church there came an idea, and the idea was a weekly primetime TV religion game show. And verily, it came to pass. It's called "Inspiration, Please," a knock-off of an old radio and TV show called "Information, Please," and it starts in October on the Faith and Values Channel, which is carried on 1,450 cable systems piped into 24 million homes. ... Taping of the first 13 episodes starts in July at the Trinity Place studios in the heart of Wall Street. The grand prize is a trip for two to — of course — the Holy Land. The emcee is Roberg G. Lee, a Christian standup comic ..." Less significant coverage:<ol> <li> The article notes: "On the sleek set of the game show "Inspiration Please!," host Robert G. Lee is grilling his three contestants. "Which emperor made Christianity the Roman Empire's official religion?" ... This snappy half-hour game show on the Odyssey channel is part of a new brand of religious television."</li> </ol></li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Inspiration Please! to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 11:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC) </li></ul>


 * Comment: The Associated Press article is not a press release. Whether the article can be de-orphaned is irrelevant to notability and whether this article should be kept. Per Competence is required, an editor who is making these clearly non-policy-based arguments either should stop making these arguments or stop nominating or participating in deletion discussions. Cunard (talk) 11:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep Cunard found clear evidence this passes the general notability guidelines. And as mentioned in previous AFDs and again now, the Associate Press is not a press release, and counts towards notability.  This and other reoccurring issues with the nominator are now at ANI. Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents.     D r e a m Focus  20:38, 31 May 2022 (UTC)


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