Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Insurance Council of Texas


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Speedy Deleted (A7, G11) by DGG. (non-admin closure) – Davey 2010 Talk 21:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Insurance Council of Texas

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Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NORG. ubiquity (talk) 22:25, 4 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Texas-related deletion discussions. ubiquity (talk) 17:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. ubiquity (talk) 17:12, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

The Insurance Council of Texas strongly desires to have a presence on Wikipedia so that people, companies, insurance consumers and other members of the public who are searching for information about the Insurance Council of Texas are able to find that information about the organization. ICT has a long history in Texas and is a regularly and often trusted resource of industry information for media outlets and insurance companies across the state. Mattstill (talk) 16:49, 5 May 2016 (UTC)Mattstill
 * Unfortunately, this is not what Wikipedia is for.
 * Wikipedia is not a means of promotion
 * Wikipedia is not a web hosting service
 * Wikipedia is not a directory of businesses, agencies or councils
 * To have a wikipedia article, the subject must receive significant coverage in reliable, independent sources to demonstrate its notability. The single reference on this page does not so this. ubiquity (talk) 17:08, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Below are just a sampling of the significant coverage in reliable, independent sources that reference the Insurance Council of Texas, just over the last few days: http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2016-05-06/pits-end/ http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/pearland/living/may-is-the-peak-of-tornado-season/article_2d86f90e-1f54-53d6-9dc3-b9f85e4b9ee3.html http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2016/05/05/407446.htm http://www.insuranceinsider.com/us-storms-lead-to-costliest-april-for-insurers-since-2011 http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/22/autonation-ceo-biblical-hail-pounded-profits.html http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/texas/article_ad768bbb-a3da-56bb-996d-9655d7a37787.html http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/local/article/San-Antonio-hail-storm-1-4-billion-in-losses-7269460.php

I could post dozens more references from reliable, independent sources showing the notability of the Insurance Council of Texas. Please let me know if I should continue. Mattstill (talk) 13:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)Mattstill


 * If you have references demonstrating the notability of the subject, why not make them part of the article, where it will do some good? That said, I took a look at the references you listed, and here are my comments:
 * http://www.austinchronicle.com/news/2016-05-06/pits-end/ &mdash; About pit bulls, not the council. has a quote from Mark Hanna, the council PR manager. this does not establish notability.
 * http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/pearland/living/may-is-the-peak-of-tornado-season/article_2d86f90e-1f54-53d6-9dc3-b9f85e4b9ee3.html &mdash; about tornado season. has a quote from Mark. this does not establish notability.
 * http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2016/05/05/407446.htm &mdash; trade journal article about ICT's scholarship program. looks like a press release. doesn't really say much about ICT.
 * http://www.insuranceinsider.com/us-storms-lead-to-costliest-april-for-insurers-since-2011 &mdash; about storm season. Has a quote from ICT. this does not establish notability.
 * http://www.cnbc.com/2016/04/22/autonation-ceo-biblical-hail-pounded-profits.html &mdash; hail storms. quote from ICT. does not establish notability.
 * http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/texas/article_ad768bbb-a3da-56bb-996d-9655d7a37787.html &mdash; flooding. quote from ICT. does not establish notability.
 * http://www.mysanantonio.com/business/local/article/San-Antonio-hail-storm-1-4-billion-in-losses-7269460.php &mdash; hail storms. quote from ICT. does not establish notability.
 * I get it. ICT does their job. When people want info about the insurance industry in Texas, they call ICT. This does not make ICT notable. There are hundreds of thousands of organizations that do their job. They do not necessarily deserve wikipedia articles for this. Do you have any reliable, independent coverage which is actually about ICT? This is what you need to show notability. ubiquity (talk) 14:26, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Here is an article in a trade journal about ICT honoring its former director http://www.insurangle.com/insurance-council-of-texas-honors-gentry-with-raymond-mauk-award-2.html Here is an article from the University of North Texas about ICT and the Education Foundation ICT operates https://www.cob.unt.edu/news/view.php?/2015/12/15/insurance-council-of-texas-(ict)-education-foundation-awards-unt-students-14-000-fall-2015 Here is an article from a national insurance group (which is similar in function and notability to ICT and has its own Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurance_Information_Institute) about the annual symposium ICT produces http://www.iii.org/presentation/overview-and-outlook-for-the-p-c-insurance-industry-focus-on-texas-markets-070915 Here is an article in a trade journal describing a resource ICT provides http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/southcentral/2010/05/17/109908.htm

If the above links establish notability to your satisfaction, I'm happy to edit the Wikipedia page with them as references. I can also provide additional references that show ICT's notability, these are just the ones I found in the last 5 minutes.

The American Insurance Association is similar in scope, function and notability as the Insurance Council of Texas. Their wiki page is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Insurance_Association The National Association of Mutual Insurance Companies is also similar in scope, function and notability as the Insurance Council of Texas. Their wiki page is here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Association_of_Mutual_Insurance_Companies

If you're holding the Insurance Council of Texas to a notability standard, it needs to be consistently applied to other similar groups like the ones referenced above. The pages for these groups have little notability justifications in their references, although I can certainly argue for each of the group's notability and importance. Mattstill (talk) 15:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)Mattstill


 * I totally agree. I have proposed American Insurance Association and National Association of Mutual Insurance Companies for deletion. Please let me know of any other articles you may see that do not meet Wikipedia notability standards. ubiquity (talk) 18:51, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - unlike the national American Insurance Association, this is for a single, albeit large, state. Random quotes from Institute employees does not mean the organization itself is notable. Unless there are several in-depth stories in national and reliable sources, I don't think this passes our notability standards. We are also a private not-for-profit, and our Foundation does not exist to give away free bandwidth to other organizations. Quite frankly, there are lots of crappy articles at Wikipedia that we need to cull. Bearian (talk) 18:22, 9 May 2016 (UTC)


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