Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Intercounty Baseball League

 This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. This page is no longer live. Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. The result of the debate was keep. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 12:21, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Intercounty Baseball League
A local amateur league. The language is trying to make it look as if this is a minor league at the same level as the Canadian Baseball League or the Northern League, but it's just a bunch of guys who like to get together and play baseball. RickK 00:08, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete definitely a small thing, either 528 or 682 Google hits (only time ever that I got more hits with quotes than without, what's up with that?). Article seems to be written to make it seem bigger than it is. Andrew Lenahan - St ar bli nd  00:30, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * RickK and I have clarified some of the issues involved. Anyway, I created the article so the links to the league in the articles about the cities in it would have an article to link to, not to make the league sound like anything it isn't. The league is not, though, just "a bunch of guys who like to get together and play baseball." It is a commercial enterprise whose results are covered by major media outlets in southern Ontario. I'll be happy with whatever decision is reached here, because even if the article is deleted, the deletion will set a standard for other articles. Which I intend to see exercised. John FitzGerald 12:30, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, not notable, sportscruft. Megan1967 10:48, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, a serious sports league, it's been going for 86 years and has 9 teams. Sheldrake 19:29, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Their own website calls them amateurs. Do you know how many amateur baseball leagues there are in the United States?  Should we have articles on all of them?  RickK 19:45, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * Why not? Wikipedia aint paper. Organized amateur baseball leagues, that pass a notability test, are an important part of american culture. I see great things in baseball. Klonimus 20:21, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Are the leagues of which you speak covered in national newspapers, as the Intercounty is? John FitzGerald 20:23, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Megan1967 &mdash;Wahoofive | Talk 19:50, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, concur with Rick. Radiant_* 08:55, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete --Spinboy 17:25, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * But you know what? Even if they are a minor semi-commercial, semi-rec league now, they are 86 years old and notable historically. For a historically important period of time, all baseball in North America was minor semi-commercial, semi-rec league stuff, and this was the highest level of baseball play around, and it was popular, and while most players would not be encyclopedic, the longstanding large regional leagues absolutely would be. 3270 Google hits, none double-counted, discussing either of eight of the nine teams (you can imagine the trouble with Toronto Maple Leafs.) Still prominently covered on local TV news I watch and in daily newspapers I read. I'm not a baseball fan. Keep. Samaritan 19:33, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Important part of the culture of Soviet Canuckistan. Agree with Samaritan above about the relevance and notability of established amature baseball leagues. Klonimus 20:21, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet again another nonsense vote from this troll. RickK 19:46, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * RickK: What is the wikipedia policy on personal attacks again? Klonimus 20:21, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * So when someone adduces the importance of the league to Canadian culture you call that nonsense. Now why might you say that? Is it because you're a devoted student of Canadian culture, or because you think Canadian culture is nonsense? John FitzGerald 20:23, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I voted keep because I think this baseball league is notable and worthy of being included in a truly great encyclopedia. Anyone who has hung around VfD, knows that I am almost as inclusionist as Kappa is; especially when it comes to topics that might not be included in a paper encyclopedia, such as this baseball league. I'm just trying to add a little humor to the VfD process which is often filled with sourpusses, and people who make 1-3 word votes. Klonimus 06:17, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, John, that wasn't aimed at you or the article in question, and solely at Klonimus and the pattern and nature of his/her VfD edits. RickK 23:00, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * RickK: Inclusionism is not a crime. If you have a beef with me, air it on my user talk page. I personally don't appreciate it when you attack my credibility in VfD. My opinion, even though you may disagree with it, is worth every bit as much as yours, even though I may disagree with it. Klonimus 06:17, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * And BTW, I listed this at Canadian wikipedians' notice board, hoping that more pairs of Canadian eyes could give us a perspective. I figured if it really is an "Important part of the Canadian Culture", then my objections will be overwhelmed.  I am trying to be fair.  RickK 23:04, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't really think you were being anti-Canadian. I was just making a couple of points about a standard problem on Wikipedia. To avoid biassing the vote, though, I'll tell you about them elsewhere. John FitzGerald 00:07, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep I think a league that has been around for 85 years, covered in the local press and has teams across southern Ontario is notable enough, regardless of whether the players are paid or not. Webgeer 22:50, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, though admittedly through local bias (hey, if I can watch the London Majors on TV at home, they must be relatively important). Adam Bishop 23:30, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, "covered by major media outlets" sounds like a good reason. Kappa 08:15, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, more notable than schools. Grue 18:54, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Passes my notability bar by dint of longevity. -- 8^D gab 02:49, 2005 Apr 17 (UTC)
 * Keep.  Media coverage and history easily establish notability.  ElBenevolente 16:23, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep but, please, expand! Sarg 18:02, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep per Sheldrake et al. Early baseball played outside of the USA is notable.  Sarg's point is good, too. GeeZee 23:22, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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