Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Internal Suffering (2nd nomination)


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 17:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Internal Suffering
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A7 — non notable band. The band is sick, but the only sources on the page are from uhh.... Discogs. 🤨 Plus googling the band name only brings reviews for their albums on fan webzine sites or their record label. I can’t find a single justified reason for this to be here other than being a cool brutal death metal band, but that isn’t gonna cut it. Second Skin (talk) 06:14, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * There is a very lengthy debate for their deletion back in 2009 but I can’t say much has changed since then. The band still don’t seem to meet the criteria for inclusion. Perhaps even less now than back then. Second Skin (talk) 06:20, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:58, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Colombia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 08:58, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - the problem is that 10 years ago, the 'keep' votes never added the sources they claimed established notability to the page. Anyway, I looked at the sources from the prior AfD. There was one [dead] interview from a Colombian source, which looked legit - it is a dead link but Wayback has a copy. There is a [dead] German interview which appears to be on a blog-style website and from my view is not an RS. There is another [dead] German interview which is a permanent dead link without a Wayback page. Other than that it's just mentions.. mentions that they toured, mainly. There is also a link to Amazon.. ultimately, I don't see this being a notable band, not then, and not now.  ‡ Єl Cid of Valencia  talk  13:19, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Cool brutal death metal band indeed. From Colombia! But, they are not notable for Wikipedia, unfortunately. The sourcing is abysmal - Discogs entries, Myspace and a blank Allmusic page - none of them are reliable. But my Google search did not turn up very good either, as the results are the standard unreliable sites like databases, streaming service entries, social media pages, Wikipedia mirrors, blogs, download sites, retail sites, Youtube videos, trivial mentions/name checks and stuff where the two words appear separately but not in the band's context. GhostDestroyer100 (talk) 14:06, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: fails WP:GNG and WP:BAND. Living in Colombia for ten years, I can say that this is not a name you see often on the metal scene here, probably because as the article says, they moved out of Colombia a long time ago. They played last year's edition of the annual Rock in the Park festival in Bogota, and apparently a dead poet influenced their lyrics , but none of this is any more than passing mentions. : not so surprising that Colombia produces death metal bands, actually... Colombia and Latin America in general is very big on metal as the music of choice for people who want an alternative to pop or Latin music... there are far more metal fans and bands here than in my home country, the UK. I assume you are talking about Rockombia: this is a long-running website in Colombia, but I've never been convinced that it's anything more than a rock and metal blog, albeit a professionally-run one. In any case, the source is an interview which is a primary source. There is unlikely to be anything better in print unless anyone can get hold of print copies of Colombia's one music magazine, Shock, which is now entirely online and doesn't archive its back issues – the country's biggest newspaper, El Tiempo, does archive its articles, but the two articles I linked above, plus the mention as support to Cannibal Corpse stated in the first AfD, seem to be the only mentions of the band at all. Richard3120 (talk) 14:53, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: You're right about that, I've forgotten to mention that the band have relocated to Spain in 2011. I don't know if bands representative of a genre from their home country increases notability, but if it does, this makes the difference between now and the 2009 nomination different and effectively makes the band even less noteworthy. I'm just gonna play Devils advocate and automatically assume that Spain has a larger death metal scene than Colombia; Wormed, Cerebral Effusion, Fixation on Suffering, Virulency... Those are just off of the top of my head (and the first two I mentioned here are just as famous, if not even more so, than Internal Suffering). Second Skin (talk) 15:23, 14 July 2020 (UTC)


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