Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Christian Churches


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep.   A rbitrarily 0   ( talk ) 19:25, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

International Christian Churches

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This is a non-notable splinter group from the International Churches of Christ. Meaningful content is already covered in that article and at Kip McKean. The references are non-reliable and/or non-independent sources, except one (Christianity Today) which doesn't actually mention International Christian Churches. Deli nk (talk) 16:01, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete non-notable church. Prsaucer1958 (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep If there was one congregation, then maybe it would be non-notable and just a splinter group. However, over the past four years this "splinter group" has grown to 31 congregations and growing. If anything, the "meaningful content" in the International Churches of Christ article should be moved to this article because the International Churches of Christ fundamentally changed direction, which resulted in the split and formation of the International Christian Churches. BlueGold73 (talk) 19:59, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This does not look like a WP:NOTABLE failure at all. Plenty of coverage in reliable sources. No reason to delete this article also per BlueGold73.--Dripping oil (talk) 20:29, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep - Pretty clearly over the notability bar. This from an article in Christianity Today, which is an independent, reliable source: "The icoc, known informally as the Boston Movement, has grown from fewer than 100 people at its founding in 1979 to 185,000 members in 430 churches and 170 countries. The ICOC has recruited intensely among college students, but more than 20 colleges or universities have barred the group from campus. In 1994 the mainline Churches of Christ officially severed ties with the icoc." This source is cited in the article: HERE. Bigger than a breadbox, and controversial to boot... Carrite (talk) 21:27, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't quite have my sectarianism down tightly here, seems like ICOC mentioned above was the source of the ICC faction which is the subject of this article. Still, it's thirty-something churches involved, I believe, and a controversial movement. Carrite (talk) 21:32, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless I misunderstand you, you are arguing in for the notability of the International Churches of Christ (the splinter group mentioned in Christianity Today, not the International Christian Churches (the splinter group of the splinter group) which is nominated here and not mentioned in Christianity Today. Peacock (talk) 22:07, 22 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete None of the article sources suggest notability according to Wikipedia guidelines. References are websites of the ICC itself, or personal websites of critics. Peacock (talk) 22:07, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 16:59, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep (but with changes) A splinter group of 31 churches is probabl;y substantial enough to be a notable denomination. However I have to question the title, which is too grand for a denomination of this size, and should probably acquire a disambiguator.  I note that the lead has the name in the singlualr.  Carrite cites a 1994 split, but this appears to be the result of a 2006 split.  I know nothing directly of the subject, and merely comment on what I observe.  Peterkingiron (talk) 15:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep This article seems of notable worth to me. However, the article could use more sources, and be put into categories. --Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 16:07, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable Christian denomination with secondary source coverage. Uncle Dick (talk) 19:18, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you please identify the secondary source coverage? None of the secondary sources currently in the article actually refer to "International Christian Churches", only to the "International Churches of Christ" which has a separate article. Peacock (talk) 23:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * One example would be the Christian Chronicle source that specifically mentions Kip's "recent effort to counter the International Church of Christ with a new entity called the International Christian Church." BlueGold73 (talk) 04:01, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's hard to keep these straight.  Churches of Christ/International Churches of Christ/International Christian Church. Peacock (talk) 15:23, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep seems to have sufficient coverage. Failing that, merge to International Churches of Christ, as their parent denomination. Jclemens (talk) 05:07, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.