Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Coffee Day


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. There is currently no consensus on the name, so that can be worked out on the talk page. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 03:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

International Coffee Day

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No reliable sources support the claim that a day by this name exists. Swayback Maru Mufka's alternate account (talk) 15:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Reliable sources (including the Christian Science Monitor) show that Nov. 29 is National Coffee Day in the USA, but not that there is an International Coffee Day. Perhaps someone got too excited. :-) BigJim707 (talk) 15:26, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Move? Maybe just move it to National Coffee Day then? (It's currently just a redirect.)  Peacock (talk) 18:03, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea to me. Can we move the article while the AfD debate is open? BigJim707 (talk) 20:49, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  — &mdash; alf.laylah.wa.laylah (talk) 21:11, 29 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep, but move to National Coffee Day. It's getting enough press coverage to meet the GNG, although it really should be celebrated on Shannon Wheeler's birthday. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:07, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 23:23, 29 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep and move I've been running into press coverage of this all day, but they all call it National Coffee Day. Ks0stm  (T•C•G•E) 23:26, 29 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep as-is... I think some editors here get too trigger happy with editing and deleting things. Yes, this holiday is certainly referred to as 'National Coffee Day' in the United States... as well as Japan and a dozen other countries. And it has also been referred to as Coffee Day... And yes, there is also reference to this day as being called 'International Coffee Day', in the media, online, and by coffee companies preparing their coffee celebrations. This exact phrase can also be found simply by using Google to search for International Coffee Day... I can list at least 10 sources for that phrase (including national and international media), and perhaps more if I was diligent. The term national refers to something centered on one nation only. The term international refers to something that crosses borders. Therefore, this article is correctly labeled as International Coffee Day. Furthermore, the mass of details which were removed by Swayback Maru, with the reason (rm content not relevant to the topic. rm pov)doesn't make much sense, as the details removed revolved around the coffee culture, how people celebrate, and why coffee is so important as to warrant its own holiday... Editors on Wikipedia articles need to do less deleting and more editing IMHO. Alayna the Extravagant (talk) 02:56, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * References to International Coffee Day ALL of the resources below make a direct reference to September 29th as being International Coffee Day, some in the title, and some in the article... A few are media, a few are company websites, and a few are blogs, but this should show that the status quo says this day IS an international celebration, and IS referenced as being called that in many, maybe hundreds of locations... ((oops, not sure how to get them to display the title))

Alayna the Extravagant (talk) 03:48, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * At a glance, none of the above are reliable sources and contrary to the statement above, they do not all mention "International Coffee Day". -- Mufka (u) (t) (c) 10:09, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Upon closer inspection, you will find that they do ALL refer to September 29 as International Coffee Day. Out of curiosity, how many sources mentioning the same thing is considered enough to be seen as status quo, and a view accepted by most? And how many reliable sources are needed to establish the 'official' name of this event? If a local village in India celebrates Christmas, and they think its only a local celebration, so they call it as such, it doesn't change the fact that Christmas is widely accepted and known to be an international holiday... Yes, I know this is a little different as we are talking about whether this article should be called National Coffee Day (with International Coffee Day pointing to that article), or International Coffee Day (with National Coffee Day pointed to it)... The existence of this holiday is clear, and it is also clear that it is celebrated around the world... So what kind of source is needed (or how many) to satisfy this? To me personally, it is obvious that its an international holiday... AND it has been called both in the media That reference is in the media, and written by one of their in-house reporters... But for it to comply with the rules here, what is needed? Is status quo not enough? I will try to research it and find something that meets the criteria. Note: I am not taking offence at the request to change the name, but I am seeing it as what it is... world-wide... international... Alayna the Extravagant (talk) 14:00, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep Not sure about the name though. They call it International Coffee Day, even though only one nation seems to celebrate it during this particulate day, which is the same as the National Coffee Day of America.  And while America certainly is the most important country in the world, we do sometimes remember that other nations do exist, and accept their right to have their own holidays(surprising fact, the 4th of July is only celebrated in America).    D r e a m Focus  09:15, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
 * One thing to consider is that the title of this article is not "International Coffee Day is on September 29"... But rather just International Coffee Day" so the point which we need "reliable sources" to back up is not the date, but only the name... If the article was called International Coffee Day, it could still list the date that each region celebrates it, or as someone has already added a section called National Coffee Days as part of the bigger article. Naming the article by this name does not deny that some call it other names, such as: National Coffee Day, Coffee Day, Free Coffee Day, etc., but it actually calls attention to the variation in names. Please note that the variation in names is merely terms of localization, and not different concepts altogether. Alayna the Extravagant (talk) 15:49, 30 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Global News is a Canadian news group, and mentions International Coffee Day as being September 29th. (Sorry, forgot to sign at time of edit...) Alayna the Extravagant (talk) 13:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Consensus reached? It Seems to me that the consensus is to keep the page, but possibly merge or move it to a different heading. So can this now be moved off of the Articles for deletion, and the nomination for deletion removed from the top of the page? The discussion about the title of the article, and the content/ verifyability of details can continue in the page's discussion section... What is the proper way to do this? Alayna the Extravagant (talk) 07:57, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * From WP:NotEarly, "The majority of AfD discussions are expected to run for at least seven days." - David Biddulph (talk) 13:11, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. This question was answered for me by Mufka, on another talk page. I'm so glad there are patient and kind editors on here that will help point newcomers to the relevant guidelines... That may sound sarcastic, but I don't mean it as such. Alayna the Extravagant (talk) 13:28, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep and rename - The first three references currently in the article establish topic notability. Rename the article to National Coffee Day. Northamerica1000 (talk) 10:24, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * KEEP, This could be expanded on, I like it – Phoenix B 1of3 (talk) 23:11, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Surprisingly keep but move - I wasn't expecting this to be notable, but it is. Let's not split hairs about the title, though - just follow the sources instead of philosophizing about why they might use "national" or "international."  Oh, and I like coffee too, but that's not relevant to this discussion.--~TPW 11:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
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