Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Committee Against Mars Sample Return


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The result was redirect to Mars sample-return mission. (non-admin closure) Daask (talk) 20:59, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

International Committee Against Mars Sample Return

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ICAMSR (International Committee Against Mars Sample Return) is a small project by one individual, Barry DiGregorio, focused on promoting fringe theories regarding a NASA coverup of current Mars life, and an impending and lethal Mars-invasion brought upon a sample-return mission. Their few mentions by the media do not amount to notability, and their work is most certainly not notable, not relevant, and definitely not reliable nor influential on science and space policy. Material published by ICAMSR is sourced by the owners & operators of the fringe Journal of Cosmology. Although this article has been sanitized to some degree, the Charter and performance of ICAMSR fail Wikipedia standards on scientific reliability and notability. Rowan Forest (talk) 15:09, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Additional context - I researched the group and its leader, Barry DiGregorio, and familiar names came up: I am sure I can dig additional entertaining material, but this is enough. ICAMSR is not notable, not relevant, and definitely not reliable nor influential. Rowan Forest (talk) 15:13, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * He is one of the minions of Chandra Wickramasinghe who named him an "honorary research associate" at the fringe and virtual "Buckingham Centre for Astrobiology", ran by Wickramasinghe.
 * DiGregorio claims in radio shows and in TV interviews that NASA knows of present microbial life on Mars but there is world-wide coverup..
 * These people own and run the fringe and predatory Journal of Cosmology.
 * This TV interview with DiGregorio was presented more as The Joke of the Day:.
 * More fringe pseudoscience and an earful of coverups at YouTube when you type "Barry DiGregorio".
 * Redir I've searched for mainstream secondary RSs and come up dry. Point this to Mars_sample-return_mission NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:52, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Redirect per — JFG talk 16:53, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 17:00, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Astronomy-related deletion discussions. Dom from Paris (talk) 17:00, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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 * Redirect. The issue exists, but has very little public traction. The organization seems to have essentially zero footprint, as demonstrated that so many of the references are by the director. So redirecting to a paragraph in Mars sample return mission is appropriate - watchers of that page are well equipped to notice WP:FRINGE additions. Tarl N. ( discuss ) 20:24, 22 August 2018 (UTC)


 * I believe the consensus is sclear. I will prepare and add a short paragraph about ICAMSR at the Rowan Forest (talk) 23:12, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Traditionally, AfD discussions are allowed to run at least a week. Adding the paragraph at the target is good, but I suggest that this discussion be allowed to run for the traditional 7 days before deleting the original. See the end of section 3.5 of [{WP:AFD]]. Tarl N. ( discuss ) 01:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I crafted and introduced a new paragraph on ICAMSR at Mars_sample-return_mission. Please feel free to review and edit it. Cheers, Rowan Forest (talk) 16:52, 23 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.