Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Communist Current


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Existence ≠ notability. Drmies (talk) 05:07, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

International Communist Current

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The ICC is a sect that is definitely not notable under wikipedia policy. Sherlock Holmes Fan (talk) 22:54, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  Logan Talk Contributions 22:57, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete Little substantial information other than those on its website. (Google News search)  HurricaneFan 25  23:09, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, and total lack of substantial RS. I expect we will be denounced as greedy capitalist pigs because of this... Alessandra Napolitano (talk) 23:50, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete This is basically using Wikipedia as web hosting. Shii (tock) 01:34, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Long-standing group with a distinct position, well known for their interventions in print and in meetings. Some immediate links: discussion in Encyclopedia of British and Irish political organizations, The Russian Revolution and Civil War, 1917-1921: an annotated bibliography, plus snippet view in Paul Mercer's "Directory of British political organisations 1994". AllyD (talk) 08:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * These seem like offhand references and not something that established notability or could be turned into an informative article Shii (tock) 11:00, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment "Offhand" is maybe in the eye of the beholder, but I don't see the first of these, the "Encyclopedia of British and Irish political organizations" as offhand; it is a specific encyclopaedic section on World Revolution/ICC. AllyD (talk) 20:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment The Internationalist Communist Current is the name adopted by the Internationalist Communist Party after it joined the Internationalist Communist Organisation in 1991, which was later re-named the Workers' Party, and was itself absorbed into the Independent Workers' Party in 2008. So we have lots of parties and factions and lots of articles without any sourcing.  It seems some work is need on all these articles.  I would suggest however that merging the article would be more appropriate.  TFD (talk) 19:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Of course the Trotskyist groups mentioned above are quite distinct from the Damenist Internationalist Communist Party (Battaglia Comunista). Likewise a group calling itself the Internationalist Communist Organisation was set up in London with four members in the 1980s and involved an ex-member of the International Communist Current  and even the Marxist-Leninist Organisation of Britain. I feel there has been a problem in naming conventions here, and that it would have been helpful to use th French names of French groups rather than translating them into English. I always liked the Bordighist convention of adding the name of the central organ of the group, or even the city in which they were headquarter when the International Communist Party split into 72 jarrying sects. All these groups (with the exception of the Lonodn based Internationalist Communist Organisation are notable. However I do think that Shii's point should be addressed, perhaps by referencing some of the critiques of the Communist Bulletin Group which can be found here.Leutha (talk) 00:04, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * "The Communist Bulletin Group was a small left communist organisation based in Scotland." Wouldn't that essentially be an inside source and not a major one? I'm still concerned that there are no serious sources documenting the notability of this group. Shii (tock) 03:49, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I see there is no page for Internationalist Persepective which was originally the External Faction of the ICC before deciding that the problem with the ICC was not merely organisational but programmatic. Is it that we need sources outside the microcosm of Left Communism, or would that the CBG is too close to the ICC compared to say Théorie Communiste. It is perhaps reasonable to expect only left communists to discuss left communism just as only particle physicists discuss particle physics? or maybe the odd applied mathematician!Leutha (talk) 08:08, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Delete or selectively merge into a list of similar groups or other parent article. I see too little third party coverage in the article to justify a separate article, but perhaps such groups are, like minor fictional characters, best covered in the context of a broader article.  Sandstein  12:15, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
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