Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Conference of Laser Applications


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The result was   withdrawn. notability has been demonstrated in the discussion (non-admin closure) RadioFan (talk) 15:30, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

International Conference of Laser Applications

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Lacks significant coverage in 3rd party sources. Heavily sourced article but nearly entirely by the proceedings of the conference itself. Not clear how this might meet notability guidelines. RadioFan (talk) 02:54, 14 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep: readers can check the following 3rd party references (references 15-27 in the article), all published in reputable international journals, that do refer to the proceedings of this conference: Proceedings of the International Conference on Lasers 'XX:
 * J. A. Kochet et al., Observation of gain-narrowing and saturation behavior in Se x-ray laser line profiles, Phys. Rev. Lett. 68, 3291–3294 (1992).
 * C. L. Gordon et al., Time-gated imaging with an ultrashort-pulse, laser-produced-plasma x-ray source, Optics Letters 20, 1056-1058 (1995).
 * V. Petricevic et al., Near infrared tunable operation of chromium doped forsterite laser, Applied Optics 9, 1609-1611 (1989).
 * G. J. Quarles et al., Efficient room-temperature operation of a flash-lamp-pumped, Cr,Tm:YAG laser at 2.01 µm, Optics Letters 15, 42-44 (1990).
 * C. B. Edwards et al., 60 ns e-beam excitation of rare-gas halide lasers, Applied Physics Letters 36, 617-620 (1980).
 * S. Popov, Dye photodestruction in a solid-state dye laser with a polymeric gain medium, Applied Optics 37, 6449-6455 (1998).
 * M. D. Rahn et al., Photostability enhancement of Pyrromethene 567 and Perylene Orange in oxygen-free liquid and solid dye lasers, Applied Optics 36, 5862-5871 (1997).
 * S. R. Rotman et al., Non-radiative energy transfer in non-uniform codoped laser crystals, Chemical Physics Letters 152, 311-318 (1988).
 * A. S. Zibrov et al., Experimental Demonstration of Laser Oscillation without Population Inversion via Quantum Interference in Rb, Phys. Rev. Lett. 75, 1499–1502 (1995).
 * G. R. Welch et al., Observation of V-type electromagnetically induced transparency in a sodium atomic beam, Found. Phys. 28, 621-638 (1998).
 * M. G. Allen et al., Digital imaging of reaction zones in hydrocarbon—air flames using planar laser-induced fluorescence of CH and C2, Optics Letters 11, 126-128 (1986).
 * P. Saari et al., Picosecond time- and space-domain holography by photochemical hole burning, JOSA B 3, 527-534 (1986).
 * J. Menders et al., Ultranarrow line filtering using a Cs Faraday filter at 852 nm, Optics Letters 16, 846-848 (1991).
 * AND THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG. This clearly shows that the article does include 3rd party references and that the conference does have an impact in the field of lasers and optics.Corrigendas (talk) 14:49, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Also: the proper name of this conference is the name used in the creation of the article: The International Conference on Lasers and Applications. The original name was later modified (by someone?) to "International Conference of Laser Applications" which is different to the proper name.Corrigendas (talk) 15:05, 14 January 2013 (UTC)
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 * Comment I'm finding it difficult to verify the references provided. Are these materials online somewhere?  Are they behind paywalls?  It's hard to tell if this conference is the subject on the articles in these references or not.  This was brought to AFD because searches on the conference title bring up very little.  There also seems to be some disagreement about the actual title of the conference.  If that could be sorted out perhaps more references where the conference is the subject of the article can be identified.--RadioFan (talk) 19:46, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment If you don't have direct access to those papers (refs 15-27), the best way to take a glance at them is to use ADVANCED GOOGLE SCHOLAR and search for "Proceedings of the International Conference on Lasers". A large number of papers should come up including most of the listed references.  In the Google abstract the line Proceedings of the International Conference on Lasers should appear as an included reference.Corrigendas (talk) 14:55, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Wifione  Message 13:47, 21 January 2013 (UTC)


 * I randomly checked one of the references above. It is a scientific paper that references another paper published in these proceedings. That is not a reliable source that discusses the subject of this article in depth. If just getting a paper referenced in another journal was sufficient, then we would have to have an article on all published proceedings of scientific meeting and all journals however insignificant. I am all for covering in wikipedia the places where scientists publish their results, but I am not seeing any level of notability here, so I suggest delete. It might be appropriate to have an article on the Society for Optical and Quantum Electronics, which awards the Einstein Prize for Laser Science and some of this material on their proceedings could be mentioned there. The Society is much more likely to have been noticed than the Proceedings. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  05:47, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


 * According to Google Scholar more than 2,000 scientific publications refer to the Proceedings of the International Conference on Lasers XX. Google itself lists 192,000 sites that refer to the  Proceedings of the International Conference on Lasers XX. By any measure this is quite "notable".  This was a conference that served as meeting place of many important scientists (many of whom are dead now) and it was documented in about 20 books (the proceedings) which are cited in several respected data bases (see refs 1-4).  The society folded around 2000 and little was left to write about it, except the proceedings.Corrigendas (talk) 18:29, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I still think that an article on the Society would be more appropriate. Just because it no longer exists does not mean that it is not notable. Any set of proceedings covering several conferences will get that level of references. They do not make it notable in the wikipedia context because they are primary sources that discuss the content of papers, not the proceedings itself. We need a reliable secondary source that discusses the proceedings, and I do not see that we have that. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  23:34, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Reference 6:

R. Conrad, Progress in dye lasers, Applied Optics 26, 653 (1987)

is devoted entirely to the conference, in this case Lasers '86. The journal in which it was published is the prestigious Applied Optics which even has an entry in Wikipedia. Corrigendas (talk) 14:33, 23 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment The Google Scholar information above more than demonstrates the notability of this topic. I'm withdrawing my nominiation of this article for deletion with the assumiption that Bduke and Corrigendas will continue their good faith work to improve this article and incorporate this into the article making its notability clearer.  Perhaps there is some particular year or better yet a particular talk which has had a large impact on this area of study.  Noting that in the article with reference to the scholarly work referencing it would establish notability to readers of this article.--RadioFan (talk) 15:28, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
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