Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Council on Large Electric Systems


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The result was keep. There is a consensus that this is an international organization that is influential in its field and which has been covered appropriately by sources to be considered notable. Barkeep49 (talk) 04:54, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

International Council on Large Electric Systems

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I cannot find SIGCOV for this organization. Lots of trivial mentions. A recent editor declares COI/Paid editing here. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 19:35, 18 October 2019 (UTC)


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 * Keep: I hadn't heard of this organization before I read the article. I think that the article provides a useful contribution to the discussion of electricity infrastructure study and discussion. MaynardClark (talk) 20:53, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you saying it's valuable? This is OK but we usually like to have a reason in terms of notability.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 20:58, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
 * That needs to be further researched. MaynardClark (talk) 21:09, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
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 * Delete. "I hadn't heard of this organization" pretty much damns it. Nobody else has either because it hasn't received any media coverage that I can find, so a big WP:ORG fail. WP:ITSUSEFUL isn't a good reason to keep it. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:22, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is a major organization in power engineering but non-professionals are unlikely to have heard of such groups. These societies are not covered by the popular media. Look at how the articles about the American Society of Mechanical Engineers, the American Institute of Mining, Metallurgical, and Petroleum Engineers and the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers are referenced and I am assuming you are not proposing these for deletion. CIGRE started in France but now has 59 national organizations as well as individual and corporate members. Among other things it cooperates with the IEEE in creating industry standards. It has an active Women in Engineering group. Coverage will be in industrial publications sucn as INMR and PAC World magazine. For example the quarterly industry publication PACWorld has a CIGRE update section each issue. "One of PAC World's goals is to keep its readers informed on the reports and standards published by leading industry organizations such as IEC (Technical Committees 57 and 95, as well as others when appropriate), CIGRE (Study Committee B5) and IEEE PES (Power Systems Relaying Committee and Substations Committee)." Engineering topics are poorly covered in Wikipedia relative to the sciences but there is no need to perpetuate this. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:40, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
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 * Keep. If we deleted everything from the Wikipedia that I hadn't heard of, it would fit on a couple of floppy disks. CIGRE is an important organization in electrical engineering for large power systems. I stopped looking for hits on Google Books after the first 50 pages. --Wtshymanski (talk) 22:17, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
 * the first ten Google books results are all trivial or self-published. Only the tenth gives anything near in-depth coverage:
 * "The history of CIGRE" (by CIGRE),
 * "Submarine Power Cables: Design, Installation, Repair..." that says "The Cigré recommendation published in Electra 171 is the only known test standard describing relevant mechanical tests on submarine power cables.",
 * "Electrical Engineer's Reference Book", with this: "Bibliography CIGRE WORKING GROUP 31-01, Modelling of static shunt var systems (SVS) for system analysis, ELECTRA, 51 (March 1977) "
 * "Gas Insulated Substations: Gis" with "Surveys conducted by CIGRE [1,2] in recent years have demonstrated that GIS have given highly satisfactory service performance in terms of reliability and availability."
 * "Overhead Power Lines: Planning, Design, Construction" with "Cigre Report 22-08, 1990 1.23 Bowles, J. P. et al.: AC-DC Economics and alternatives - 1987 Panel session report."
 * "Transmission and Distribution Electrical Engineering" with "CIGRE WG 22-09, 'International survey of component costs of overhead transmission lines', Electra, No. 137, August 1991."
 * "Construction, Laying and Installation Techniques for..." published by CIGRE
 * "CIGRE India Session 2004, 21-23 July, 2004: Proceedings", with "FOREWORD Unlike other professional bodies such as IEEE (USA), IEE (UK), International Council on Large Electric Systems (CIGRE) with its headquarters in Paris is the body of dedicated professional engineers serving in academics". ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:45, 21 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. Passes WP:GNG. Notable organization with plenty of references if one takes the time to look. Here are a few books that can be added to the article to expand content and sourcing:, , and . For those looking for more sources, the organization is often referred to as CIGRE (an acronym off of it's French language name). In addition my university library contains records of all their international symposiums over many years which should also count for something.4meter4 (talk) 02:27, 26 October 2019 (UTC)


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