Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Emmy Award for Best Kids: Live-Action


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Daniel (talk) 00:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

International Emmy Award for Best Kids: Live-Action

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unnecessary creation for a category of nomination that does not have a substantial or reliable reliable coverage the article is made of primary sources and most of the information is already included in International Emmy Kids Awards and awards by year articles see 1st International Emmy Kids Awards subsequent articles. Similar nominated for deletion article are
 * Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Emmy Award for Best Kids: Factual & Entertainment
 * Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Emmy Award for Best Kids: Animation
 * FuzzyMagma (talk) 12:38, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 10:04, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Awards-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 13:42, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television and Lists.  WC  Quidditch   ☎   ✎  17:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge into International Emmy Kids Awards, suitable placement of the content. ✗  plicit  13:57, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Keep. This is a list article, so it has to meet our Stand-alone lists and Notability. This article meets these guidelines:
 * The subject, International Emmy Award for Best Kids: Live-Action, is notable.
 * Individual list items do not have to notable but they do have to be reliably referenced. They are referenced to the Emmy awards site.


 * International Emmy Kids Awards, mentioned above, is a poor merge target: it does not list any award winners. Instead, it just links to this and other subcategory lists.


 * Another article, List of International Emmy Award winners, lists winners only and excludes nominees. It has a Kids: Live-Action section but for winners only. Currently, List of International Emmy Award winners lists several hundred winners only (no nominees) across about 40 current and former categories; it's already a long article. The article we're discussing for deletion contains the names of both the award winners and the nominees. If we merge this list, International Emmy Award for Best Kids: Live-Action, to List of International Emmy Award winners, we either have to expand the big list to include nominees going forward or we have to delete referenced useful content (nominees) from International Emmy Award for Best Kids: Live-Action during the merge.
 * -- A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 22:52, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Redirect or keep? Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 00:24, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to List of International Emmy Award winners, fails WP:LISTN: the list topic hasn't been "discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". The Deadline and Variety refs in the article are just listings not significant coverage. --Mika1h (talk) 14:54, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep – Per WP:NLIST, Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. As correctly noted in the nomination, nominees are covered in articles for each ceremony, but a reader interested in a specific category benefits from this list format more; as such, this list has a reasonable informational/navigational purpose. (If only one or two years were covered, that would not be the case, but that's moot here.) Also, many other award categories have their own articles even if they are usually discussed in the context of yearly award ceremonies, not on their own, and are reliant on primary sources; see Template:TCA Awards, Template:Critics' Choice Movie Awards, Template:ESPYs, and Template:Hugo Awards for examples. (The last one is a featured topic, for what it's worth.) RunningTiger123 (talk) 00:24, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep The list easily passes WP:NLIST Everything that needs to be sourced is. Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:51, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Redirect to International Emmy Kids Awards (all three). All fail NLIST, sources that lists the award noms and promo is not a substitute for WP:IS WP:RS actually discussing this as a group or stand alone topic.  // Timothy :: talk  19:38, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Strong Keep The article meets WP:LISTPURP as both informational and navigational, and is largely made up of blue links. NLIST states: Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability. Let's not force our readers to jump between 8 or more articles to get information like this. &mdash;siro&chi;o 05:20, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisting comment: Final relist, nearly evenly divided between editors arguing for a Keep vs. those advocating a Redirect Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Merge into a hypothetical List of International Emmy Kids Award winners and nominees International Emmy Kids Awards; there's not nearly enough secondary source coverage for any given category to justify having these as independent articles, but they do seem to be discussed as a group. Occidental Phantasmagoria (talk) 17:29, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 * @Occidental Phantasmagoria can I ask you cast your vote also at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Emmy Award for Best Kids: Factual & Entertainment and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Emmy Award for Best Kids: Animation. I did not know how to "group AfD" FuzzyMagma (talk) 19:01, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.