Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Fritz Kreisler Competition


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The result was no consensus. North America1000 23:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

International Fritz Kreisler Competition

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I was unable to find any more sources to support notability for this competition, and it is mostly unsourced. There is the issue that the names of winners may only be available on the competition's own site since this seems to serve a rather niche audience. This is only one of many such competitions (~ 2 dozen) that are very hard to find sources for and therefore do not appear to meet wp:GNG. See Category:Violin_competitions to get the bigger picture. But I'm only bringing this one at this time to see how the discussion goes. LaMona (talk) 19:59, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep - Notability established by cited source and new source ~Kvng (talk) 00:10, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Neither is about the competition. The Strad article is about the violinist, and does provide two sentences about the competition he won. So far that's the most info I've seen in a RS. I can't see the whole Strings article on Highbeam, but it's an article about music in Vienna. Could you say if it has more than a name-check on the competition? Thanks. LaMona (talk) 17:39, 27 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Here's the paragraph containing coverage about the contest, "Although Austria is smaller than the state of Maine, it boasts two of Europe's leading chamber ensembles-Wiener KammerOrchester (Vienna Chamber Orchestra, or VCO) and the Camerata Salzburg, led by Sir Roger Norrington. An added treat in 2005 is the International Fritz Kreisler Competition, named after the famous Austrian-born violinist (he studied with Joseph Hellmesberger and Anton Bruckner). It takes place in Vienna every four years in the second half of September." ~Kvng (talk) 15:23, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:15, 3 March 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: It's sponsored by Toyota, and a search for "Kreisler Wettbewerb" throws up a few links, including this but neither this nor english searches are obviously convincing. This thread -- obviously not necessarily reliable -- suggests (among other things) that low publicity may have been fairly standard so offline sources may not be of help either.  undefinedHydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)  13:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep I noticed that if you search on "Fritz Kreisler Competition" instead of "International Fritz Kreisler Competition", you get a lot more hits; it appears to be the same competition even though the word "international" is left out. Most of the English language Google and Proquest hits, apart from the ones already mentioned and one or two additional mentions in books that came up on Google book search, are in articles about violinists who won the competition, mentioning that they won, rather than about the competition itself. However, there is also rather long discussion thread on violinist.com discussing this competition and whether the method of choosing winners is fair, etc. While I realize the discussion thread itself may not be considered a reliable source, it contained this comment from a jury member: "reviews and articles about the competition appeared in "kronen zeitung" (the largest austrian newspaper) and weekly magazine NEWS (I am chief editor), both rather influental." This suggests to me that the competition is getting significant coverage in non-English language sources (e.g. the Austrian media) which indicates to me, on top of all the articles already cited and the one or two Google book mentions, that the competition is notable and article should be kept. Since "sources do not have to be available online or written in English", I would be hesitant to get rid of the article at least until the claim of coverage in Austrian media has been checked out. TheBlinkster (talk) 16:46, 7 March 2016 (UTC)  P.S. There does seem also to be an article about the 3rd Annual Fritz Kreisler Competition itself (not about a violinist in it) in Volume 98, page 94 of The Strad if you look on Google Books, although snippet view prevents me from reading more than a few lines.  Link here.TheBlinkster (talk) 18:19, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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