Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International House of Prayer (0th nomination)

Non-notable church full of non-notable people. Did love the disclaimer, though. RickK 08:36, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)


 * Delete, non-notable. Hmmm...a church connected to the pancake industry...now that might be notable... -- Ferkelparade &pi; 08:45, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * if so don't forget to create List of Churches associated with the pancake industry. --Ianb 10:03, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * and dig the third entry of these results: --Ianb 10:03, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * St. Alphonzo's House of Pancakes/Nanook the Eskimo -- Frank Zappa -- Help I'm a cop! Geogre 12:47, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * IHOP-KC also has no connection with Kentucky Fried Christians
 * pray for tasty filling, delete. --Ianb 10:03, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. Seems like a legitimate organisation. -- Necrothesp 12:39, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * It is a legitimate organization, but it is not an exclusive one. The title is, apparently, not stable or referring to one thing.  The article does not take into account that "International House of Prayer" is a name, not an organization.  I can show you 3-4 of them that have no knowledge of or relation to each other. Delete. Geogre 12:47, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * In that case, should probably be renamed, but not deleted. -- Necrothesp 12:59, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * If it were notable, yes. We're not the Yellow Pages. Geogre 14:57, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * So, which religious organisations/churches are notable, in your opinion? Once again, this is immensely subjective. And nobody said we were the Yellow Pages or anything similar - that's carrying analogy to extremes. -- Necrothesp 15:08, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * We really ought not use VfD for debates, you know. I have and continue to offer my own version of "notable"'s definition.  Again: a) Is it so famous that people know of it outside of its immediate real life context (e.g. people outside of this town)? b) Is it a thing that people will have heard of outside of its type (e.g. people not in the religious community)? c) Is it an exemplar of its type (e.g. the perfect or singular HOP of all the churches...the first, the biggest, the one that threw bricks at an abortion clinic)? d) Is it something more logically discussed in a larger article (e.g. would an International House of Prayer about all the various churches by that name be logical)?  In this case, it's no, no, no, and not possible. We have to have notability, or else we list every legitimate business/organization, which does make us the Yellow Pages.  Geogre 16:13, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Okay. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. -- Necrothesp 08:35, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Legitimate but not notable. Btw this vfd is the funniest thing I've seen all week. Wile E. Heresiarch 14:23, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete. Is there a link from the disambig IHP that needs to be deleted??? JFW | T@lk  16:11, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete, but move hilarious disclaimer to Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense . [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality (talk)]] 16:12, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * If notablilty can be established I'd like to see this one kept. We have articles for comparably sized groups from other religions, Friends of the Western Buddhist Order, for example. If the other organization mentioned on the page, Friends of the Bridegroom is large enough (I've looked at their website, they seem to be an at least well-funded local Kansas City, Missouri group) then perhaps it can still be a worthwhile article. I have left a note for the creator of the article on his talk page to that effect. If they don't want to follow up, then it will probably go. No vote as yet. Fire Star 16:15, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Delete Unfortunately it's not so much a matter of notability, seeing as there are many religious affiliated organizations with this name. There's no reason that this specific one should stay. TheFed 19:32, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Nothing has changed in the time since I left the note. Too bad, whether the founders of the sect did it on purpose or not, the name is amusing. At this point I'll put in my vote to delete. Fire Star 21:03, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Geogre's Lemma (sure sounds like an article to me) convinces me that this is a waste of WikiSpace. Now if you could get take-out, it might be another thing, but my vote is to delete. Denni &#9775; 21:34, 2004 Aug 30 (UTC)
 * Keep, but rename. Reduce ambiguity and keep content
 * Delete. Postdlf 05:49, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is entirely unique among anything happening among at least Protestant Christian circles, in that it holds prayer services that are well-attended (100-1000 people at each meeting) 24 hours a day, seven days a week. It is a reemergence of laus perennis which surfaced from time to time in Catholic monasteries throughout the past thousand or so years. In terms of the definition of notability definition offered above by Geogre, for (a) Is it so famous that people know of it outside of its immediate real life context (e.g. people outside of this town?) - the answer is yes - they hold conferences about every month and draw 1000-1500 people to each of them, the overwhelming majority are from outside of Kansas City, with many coming internationally. Every year at the end of December they hold a larger conference that draws 10,000-20,000 young adults, again from all over the country and world and has increased in size every consecutive year it is held. As for (c) " Is it an exemplar of its type (e.g. the perfect or singular HOP of all the churches...the first, the biggest..." It is the first and biggest of a relatively new movement of independent organizations known as an "International House of Prayer" or a "House of Prayer of [enter city name]" all with the intent of growing to sustain a 24/7 schedule of prayer services. 65.28.104.107 06:35, 1 August 2005 (UTC)