Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International School of Moscow


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. Sam Walton (talk) 00:17, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

International School of Moscow

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Essentially unreferenced article about a non-notable international school. I'm unable to find significant coverage in reliable sources, only the school's own website, a handful of internet forums, and some lists of schools. This is a secondary school, but that does not grant it automatic notability: we still require significant coverage in independent sources. While schools may often be important organizations in their communities, international schools are less likely to have the same influence, as they generally serve transient expats. Also note that the page's creator, Ordovas, may be John Ordovas, director of the foundation which runs the school. Pburka (talk) 23:16, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:18, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 00:18, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep The school is one of the largest international schools in Moscow with close to 900 students. Its also a member of COBIS a reputable school organisation and has recently been inspected by ISI, the leading UK school inspectorate. I am no expert in Wikipedia rules, but deleting this article would clearly impoverish Wikipedia.  (Discussion)  02:03, 9 November 2014 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.147.2.52 (talk)
 * Delete For the reasons stated by Pburka Djcheburashka (talk) 01:19, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep as a secondary school that educates pupils up to the British school leaving age of 16. We keep secondary schools per longstanding precedent and consensus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:25, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, j⚛e deckertalk 01:59, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Keep. This school goes up to secondary level. It exists. We normally keep such schools. It belongs to an establishes school group and has been inspected by a reputable organisation. Both these go some distance to establishing notability. It does not matter who created the article. If the creator caused problems, fix them. -- Bduke   (Discussion)  03:01, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 20:32, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per long-standing precedent stated at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. – Davey 2010 •  (talk)  22:01, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - Secondary level school that verifiably exists; a long-standing precedent is to keep these articles. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 22:02, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. If this is kept, we're setting a precedent that businesses in certain fields are automatically notable and can use Wikipedia to promote their enterprise. We wouldn't permit a publisher or retailer to create an unreferenced Wikipedia page about their business, and to use that page to promote the business by implying notability and importance, but we're allowing this business to do exactly that, because its revenue happens to derive from educating children between the ages of 12 and 18. The only source for any of the material on this page is the business's own website, and the page was created by a company executive. Nobody has been able to confirm any of the claims about the business through independent sources, except (possibly) that the business does indeed exist. Pburka (talk) 23:21, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * We already have a precedent for keeping high schools or equivalents. That is a very long standing precedent. Your comment there makes this seem like a fairly POINTy nomination, to be honest. Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 23:37, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I came across this article after an as-yet-unopened school from the same foundation (located in New York) was deleted. I became concerned that the company was using Wikipedia inappropriately for promotion, examined the appropriate notability guidelines (WP:NSCHOOL), and determined that this school failed that guideline. I also reviewed WP:OUTCOMES which explicitly says that secondary schools still need to demonstrate significant coverage in independent sources. I had no desire to make a point, but I am very surprised by the lack of policy-based keep arguments. Pburka (talk) 23:44, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand your position now. However, pointing to a long-standing precedent is a perfectly policy-based keep argument, and I'm not sure the comparison to that other school holds water; it hadn't been opened yet, whereas this one appears to have been opened. It is possible that the company is using Wikipedia for promotion, but that is something that can be dealt with by watching the article carefully and keeping any of that fluff out, not by deleting the whole damn shabang. As for sourcing, the generic name complicates things, as does my inability to search in Russian; however, we have a Moscow Times piece that verifies its existence, RT.com covered it briefly in context with other schools, and I would strongly suspect that an international school in Moscow will have coverage in Russian sources as well.  Luke no 94  (tell Luke off here) 23:54, 22 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - I think keeping this is required by established precedent. Metamagician3000 (talk) 05:59, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Very weak keep per precedent, but frankly this is very poorly sourced and would fail notability if it weren't a secondary school. Epicgenius (talk) 19:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Thanks User:Lukeno94 for talking out what you did with User:Pburka, which seems helpful.  As an existing high school, it is a definite keep, not a weak one as some others have suggested. -- do  ncr  am  22:52, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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