Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Virtual Aviation Organization (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was no consensus. WjBscribe 01:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

International Virtual Aviation Organization

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Delete Unsourced, apparantly non-notable (no claims to any form of notability to anyone outside the group). Fails WP:ATT, WP:RS, WP:V, WP:N and WP:WEB. DarkSaber2k 14:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been added to the list of CVG deletions. DarkSaber2k 14:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Previous AfD. Somewhat related: Virtual Air Traffic Flight Simulation Network (AfD). &mdash;Resurgent insurgent 2007-04-18 01:05Z 
 * Delete as non-notable organisation. I see that in the previous deletion discussion claims were made that this organisation and/or its website had been mentioned in the Turkish press, but no citations were given either in that AfD or are now in the article. While everything might be verifiable from the organisation's website and hence satisfy WP:V, our notability guideline requires that there be other unaffiliated sources writing about the organisation. In the absence of concrete evidence that such write-ups exist, notability is not proved. Article has changed little since its last AfD. &mdash;Resurgent insurgent 2007-04-18 01:12Z 
 * Delete - Still sourceless even after the last AFD. Sounds cool, but no sources in the article and my googling doesn't turn up any either.  Wickethewok 17:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per much of previous AfD; no really new arguments being put forwards for deletion. IVAO is highly notable within the flight simulator world (search any flight simulator news site), and has been mentioned in the general press; it's name is dropped in the CNet article and Sydney Morning Herald, and İLevent's contribution to the previous AfD indicates that it has had exposure in Turkish newspapers. --Scott Wilson 19:18, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strong Keep, very notable in its own field. There are a lot of references, but mostly in printed press (I have lots of scanned articles if needed...) Yrtgm 20:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: printed articles can still be cited (for instance, with Template:Cite news); we don't need to link to everything. --Scott Wilson 23:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep - Within it's own field (Flight Simulation) it is notable. Although I agree the page could do with some clean-up and maybe a review. -- Rehnn83 Talk 12:40, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - IVAO is notable in its own field, it is mentioned on several items in its own field, like virtual aviation related websites. Agree that a review, restructuring and probably source citing of the article is needed. TheSpecial 10:38, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.