Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International ice swimming association


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  13:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

International ice swimming association

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Initially tagged as a CSD A7, but withdrawn as one of the sentences makes claim of significance (see founding section). However, there's no reliable sources to support, and the only "sources" that were there are the company's website. Also, doing a Google search only returns some other companies, some are related to International Winter Swimming Association, an entirely different company. The creator, Rbarkai, has a conflict of interest on this article, as his username resembles the founder, Ram Barkai. theinstantmatrix (talk) 19:31, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete per GNG and WP:RSSELF ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 19:51, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: For some reason there are multiple links to the article within it and all around the writing is poor. Also not meeting WP:GNG, and further more, all three of the references are just different pages on the same website. This not only isn't encyclopedic content, but the information in this stub article (see WP:STUB) could be found all on the original website.Grapefruit17 (talk) 20:07, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep: The IISA is apparently pretty well known; for example the New York Times devotes several paragraphs to it in this article about ice swimming. There are other well-known reputable sources that refer to the association, so it's probably notable, but I'd like to see multiple instances of significant coverage about the association rather than the events it sponsors. ~Anachronist (talk) 01:14, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. North America1000 08:00, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. North America1000 08:00, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Linguist un Eins uno 23:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jujutacular (talk) 00:17, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep- Google News brings up a lot of sources. But I do believe the article needs some major work.--Rusf10 (talk) 00:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: On top of being poorly sourced, the article is shabbily written and doesn't conform to GNG. Ernestchuajiasheng (talk) 04:44, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Notability isn't determined by the sourcing in the article but by the sources available. ~Anachronist (talk) 08:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete The SPA Ram Barkai has built a walled garden. Give him credit, though, he is an energetic self-promoter. The rival organization International Winter Swimming Association sponsored its first championship in 2000. Both are described in Winter swimming. Rhadow (talk) 19:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
 * In that case, move to International Ice Swimming Association and redirect to Winter swimming. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:07, 13 December 2017 (UTC)


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