Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International reactions to the July 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to July 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes. There is a general consensus against a stand-alone article, but also that the information is not useless. Black Kite (talk) 22:49, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

International reactions to the July 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes

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This is a collection of predictable reactions of no encyclopedic or lasting value. Nearly every international player "expressed concern" and called for peace/ceasefire. Vici Vidi (talk) 06:39, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Azerbaijan-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 06:57, 14 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep: Similar to the Reactions to the 2019 Turkish offensive into north-eastern Syria, why isn't that deleted? Why not improve the article instead of deleting it? Beshogur (talk) 07:25, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete I oppose all such pages because of their WP:RECENTISM, when there's no lasting WP:NOTABILITY to the reactions. Its an unnecessary WP:FORK from the underlying conflict/issue. When the dust settles it can all be covered in one section about the underlying conflict/issue, we don't need to know exactly what every country said about it. Mztourist (talk) 08:07, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep or Merge I can't see a valid reason for losing this information. The least case should be a merge.Selfstudier (talk) 12:23, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Either Delete or trim heavily and merge. These "reactions to" articles are a blight on Wikipedia, a complete embarrassment. What we have here is a flag salad and a WP:QUOTEFARM. There is no way this passes WP:10YT; nobody is going to look at this in ten years and think "Japan expressed concern, did they? How very interesting." This article only exists as a result of failing to properly distinguish between information with news value and information with encyclopedic value in combination with a reluctance to remove excessive material that doesn't improve the main article. Creating a sub-article for the sole purpose of keeping the main article clean is a bad solution which should never have happened in the first place. The majority of this content can be summarized with the single sentence "Several countries and supranational organizations expressed concerns.", and the rest can be summarized by noting which countries/supranational organizations condemned which side (or both). WP:DELREASON (Any other content not suitable for an encyclopedia) applies here, specifically because Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS. If we summarize it properly from scratch, I don't think there is even any need to retain the edit history for attribution (see WP:CWW) and the article could thus be deleted outright. TompaDompa (talk) 12:25, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Anything of actual permanent note can be put in the article on the conflict itself. As it stands this is a flagrant violation of the not new guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:49, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, that article contains slightly under 70,000 bytes of prose, meaning that this is not a necessary WP:SPLIT. Devonian Wombat (talk) 00:25, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? The page itself says that is near 300,000 bytes. Ahmetlii (talk) 11:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , sure, the page does say that, but one must remember that a huge amount of bytes are tied up in things like references, the infobox, and things like that, which do not actually contribute to the amount of text that a reader would usually see. You can find the amount of prose the article has here, under the "prose" section next to "characters". As I'm writing this, it has just over 74,000 bytes of prose. Devonian Wombat (talk) 11:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reply. Ahmetlii (talk) 11:44, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Strong keep, otherwise merge As Selfstudier and Beshogur pointed out, there's not a strong reason to delete this information. It's still having encyclopedic value (even it's kinda recent) and shows the reactions like 2020_Nagorno-Karabakh_conflict section. Since the main page is getting bigger, I think the whole page needs to be splitted.Ahmetlii (talk) 11:38, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   15:55, 22 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep This is a very common content type for internationally known incidents, and is often excessive to merge into the parent topic. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:39, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   15:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Trim heavily and merge to the parent article per TompaDompa. There actually is a small amount of interesting content here -- namely, that some international reactions condemned Armenia, while others condemned Azerbaijan, and which ones condemned each country. The parties who just expressed concern in general are of no interest to most readers, as Tompa wrote: Nobody is going to look at this ... and think "Japan expressed concern, did they? How very interesting." --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:27, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep. Common content for international incidents, and would flood the main article. Its individual pieces of content should be assessed for notability and verifiability, but the whole article does not seem worthy of ejection at this time. Zkidwiki (talk) 20:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I admit that it's fairly common to see articles like this on Wikipedia, but should it be? While not exactly applicable to this particular article, I'm not impressed by articles titled "International reactions to [attack]" which consist primarily of text like this: "The leader of Afghanistan condemned the attacks and expressed condolences for the victims. The leader of Albania condemned the attacks and expressed condolences for the victims. ... The leader of Zambia condemned the attacks and expressed condolences for the victims. The leader of Zimbabwe condemned the attacks and expressed condolences for the victims." --Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:34, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Clarkcj12 (talk) 08:54, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge into either July 2020 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes and/or 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war. I don’t see why this needs a page, but the information is not totally useless. Foxnpichu (talk) 12:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge and trim heavily into either 2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war. Remove the boilerplate "we're deeply concerned and monitoring the situation" comments which say nothing meaningful. TompaDompa and Mztourist spoke to the reasons.  // Timothy ::  talk  08:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete or Merge, per Mztourist and TimothyBlue. These articles are pure WP:RECENTISM. I look forward to the day when someone finally creates International reactions to World War II. —Brigade Piron (talk) 14:50, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete As per WP:RECENTISM I doubt it will be of any significance in the future. Hun ter  00:44, 17 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.