Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ionian Village


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Keep. -- VS talk 22:06, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Ionian Village

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It's an article about a private summer camp for Greek youth. There is no indication of why it is a notable summer camp, other than the fact that is was established by the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese, which I don't think makes it notable enough to warrant an article. Watchsmart (talk) 02:39, 2 January 2008 (UTC) *Merge with Iakovos, Archbishop of America, who founded the camp. I can't find enough info to support an independent article, but it seems relatively important to Greek Americans, so we should mention it somewhere. Zagalejo^^^ 06:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete. No assertion of notability. J- ſtan ContribsUser page 02:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Doesn't really say what makes it notable, and I don't think we have all summer camps listed here, or want them to be. Pharmboy (talk) 03:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Change to weak keep, as I seem to have overlooked a substantial article about the place from the NYT. (Diane Sierpina. "Ancient culture, modern campers". New York Times. October 8, 1995. CN25.) The NYT also has a short piece about Jackie O's 1975 visit ("Notes on people". New York Times. July 8, 1975. 22). And this Greek News article should count for something. This topic may have more potential than I thought; lets give it time to grow. Zagalejo^^^ 05:36, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete or Merge. Doesn't seem to be that notable an institution.  Lankiveil (talk) 11:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC). Keep as per discovery of sources by User: Zagalejo.  Lankiveil (talk) 13:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC).
 * Merge and redirect looks appropriate here.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 03:27, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Zagalejo's findings of secondary sources that are about this topic. --Oakshade (talk) 03:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello everyone - I am the original author and a new member (learning the ropes). From your comments I understand better the need for relevance and detail that ties this submission to the greater body of global knowledge - so please let me add relevant detail. Please re-consider after you see my edits. Thanks. Planetcast (talk) 04:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
 * What you need is two things: At the start of the article, you need to 'assert notability', meaning establish why this is more than just another camp. This can only be done, of course, if the camp is notable for something in particular.  Second, you need to include citations from reliable sources (wp:RS is the policy).  This would include newspapers, larger websites (not blogs) and such.  If the camp is not notable, and just 'a really nice place', then it probably won't pass.  Wikipedia isn't for listing every camp, business, school, etc., and as an encylopedia, has to limit itself somewhat to notable topics, as defined by the policy WP:Notability and others.  If it does have writeups in the New York Times, then link to the NYT article in the camp article, then come back and say so.  You are better off if you do that when you first start an article, to avoid all this AFD mess. Pharmboy (talk) 03:28, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I added some refs. The NYT articles aren't available online, as far as I can tell, but I'm sure you could find them in a library if you had questions about them. Zagalejo^^^ 04:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)


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 * Keep as per national newspaper sources. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 09:18, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
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