Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ionuţ Caragea


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The result was   Delete. لenna vecia  05:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Ionuţ Caragea

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Classic self-promotion. Note the embedded links to his own website, the name-dropping in the "extended interview" (which just happened to be published on his site), the many links to forum-like venues where he has sought to make a name for himself. The closest we come to seeming third-party reliable coverage is in SFera, but then we look at their editorial policy and find they accept "everything writers may wish to contribute", with a bare minimum of an editorial filter. That does not really pass the WP:RS threshold. Caragea has succeeded in establishing some Internet presence through savvy marketing, but he has not entered the realm of coverage in independent sources, and until then, we should not have this article, which still fails WP:N. Biruitorul Talk 14:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Insufficient notability per guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:52, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Biruitorul, don’t be ridiculous. Self-promotion? Wrong! Look at the Ionut Caragea`s activity. Source Wikipedia Romania and http://www.aslrq.ro/ASLRQ_fichiers/membri_files/ionut%20caragea.htm. Pls verify all this references. You are romanian, you can confirm all. Do you need more? --Nesterovici
 * Wikipedia is not a valid source for Wikipedia. Links to his own website also fail WP:GNG - sources must be "independent of the subject". As I've explained, the editorial policy of SFera (and, as far as I can tell, of all the other venues where his work has appeared) are in breach of WP:SELFPUB. - Biruitorul Talk 14:30, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I know, Wikipedia is not a valid source for Wikipedia. Agreed. But I speak about links and references. You can help us. You can select good links and references. It’s easy to delete, it’s so difficult to help? --Nesterovici —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.52.108 (talk) 16:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, you help me a lot. Now, SferaOnline is out and the good reference is National Magazine Helion and La Poesie Que J`aime. What do you suggest now?--Nesterovici —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.93.52.108 (talk) 17:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Biruitorul, pls to reconsider. ChildofMidnight pls to reconsider. After new modifications, is no reason to delete this article. Thank you! --Nesterovici —Preceding undated comment added 10:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC).
 * Delete. I read the updated article.  While it's not terribly well-written, that alone doesn't make it delete-able.  What does is the fact that the subject doesn't seem to meet any of the aforementioned notability standards.Tyrenon (talk) 23:27, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

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 * Delete doesnt make it past WP:CREATIVE standards of notability. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 23:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

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 * Keep No reason to delete. User:Nesterovici (talk) 10:37, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment - Nesterovici, don't edit other peoples' comments; the closing admin can see that you disagree with my view without you editing it to add "contested by Nesterovici " to it. Thanks. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 19:13, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Bigdaddy1981, it is for you. You must see the last update and you can change your decision.User:Nesterovici (talk) 20:43, 28 May 2009 (UTC)


 *  Strong Delete Ionut Caragea use many clones as a Lerman Kruger, Ivan Ivanovici and Nesterovici http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pagini_de_şters/Sorin_Cerin see Victor Blacus on 30 January 2009 and Gutza on 31 January 2009.Caragea wrote this article and comments here using Nesterovici name.Many sites of qutes are not serious because he is not published as a famous qoutes author in Great Quotes.He is published to user sumbimtted quotes area where any peopele can submit free how many quotes need.Many of so called literary critics are child or people who don't have anything to do with literary criticism.To Sfera review Ionut Caragea is editor.What serios magazine or review talk about Caragea?No one.Biruitorul has right.This article about Caragea is classic self promotion.Wafeofsun (talk) 05:27, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 23:02, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Comment. Why was this relisted?  We've got one editor putting up a huge fight to defend an article that he wrote...and frankly making a mess of things in the process.  I, for one, do not intend to change my vote; I honestly suspect a conflict of interest here considering the amount of energy being put into the article and to the fight here by the author.Tyrenon (talk) 14:31, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - I haven't seen anything to convince me either; however, I think Nesterovici is acting in good faith to try to establish notability. Possible conflict; but maybe he just disagrees with us honesty and is seeking to convince us. No socks or other tricks are being used so I tend to think the best; true he made the page harder to read but I think an admin will be able to figure it all out. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 20:50, 29 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Bigdaddy1981, peoples from Montreal speak french or english. Ionut Caragea live there. A lot of writers from Montreal are in Wikipedia with just few lines. My argument is solid. I`m not a cheater. Thank you! Take a look : User:Nesterovici (talk) 20:11, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I agree --- I think you are honest. Bigdaddy1981 (talk) 00:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment You are a cheater Ionut Caragea.Who edit this article?You.You are Nesterovici!Who are the critics?Your friend.In romanian literature and culture this people who give the critics to you, don't have any serious background like Nicolae Manolescu, Ion Dodu Balan or Eugen Simion who are the best critics of Romania.You don't have notability because your book is published on your own like print on demand.Any serious editor and publisher don't agree your "poems" who are not serious, because is like  a joke.A cheater like you who edit own image in Wikipedia is agains Wikipedia policy!Wafeofsun (talk) 11:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Comment Wafeofsun, I`m a friend of Ionut Caragea. I`m from the same city. And you are Sorin Cerin, the guy who want to revenge because Ionut Caragea maded some articles about you. Valeria Manta Taicutu, Marius Chelaru, Daniel Corbu are reputated critics from Romania. You can see their pages. User:Nesterovici (talk) 08:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nesterovici (talk • contribs)

Comment The critics are:

Marius Chelaru, Valeria Manta Taicutu, Daniel Corbu, Constantin Frosin, Alexandru Florin Tene.

Any serious editor and publisher don't agree your "poems" who are not serious, because is like  a joke

Who do you think you are, Wafeofsun (Sorin Cerin)? Is my last comment here. I dont accept insults and some people revenge. All the informations are in the main page. Thank you for sustain my work. Bye. User:Nesterovici (talk) 11:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment The name from above are your friends who are the member of the association who been established by you last year.This is not serious literary romanian critics.Everybody need literary critics can go on the street like you to find some people who prise him and then this people are recommended to be "serious" critics!You are a joke and a liar  in this case Mr.Caragea!Tell me what important literary journal wrote about you?Only your own?Wafeofsun (talk) 19:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * CommentNesterovici please stop the liars.You are Ionut Caragea!I can proof anytime it.Wafeofsun (talk) 19:24, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * CommentGenovese12345 thanks for the flagg, I try my best with this article. New updates are ready now. I really appreciate your help! All my best. Have a nice day.User:Nesterovici (talk) 17:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment How do I ask for a sock puppet check between Wadeofsun and Nesterovici? Both accounts are talking awfully similarly, and their profiles both consist of their name.  I hate to leap to conclusions, but something about the bizzare exchange above is seriously bugging me.Tyrenon (talk) 02:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
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