Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ipso facto selecto


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:28, 1 June 2019 (UTC)

Ipso facto selecto

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I believe this article is a hoax. The ref provided for Thomas Gray makes no mention of this phrase, and I cannot find any other sources that do. I don’t believe the phrase is really Latin or that it means what the article claims it means. It’s possibly someone’s humorous expression but whatever it is, it’s not notable. Mccapra (talk) 20:20, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I forgot to mention that the editor who created this has only made one other contribution to Wikipedia, by vandalising the article Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain. Mccapra (talk) 20:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment This phrase can be found in this book, in a context that appears to align with the definition in the article. The phrase can also be found in a few online blogs and legal documents with the same usage as mentioned in the article. This leads be to believe the article is not a complete hoax. The phrase may not have anything to do with Thomas Gray, but it does exist and appears to mean what the article says. MarkZusab (talk) 21:55, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. IntoThinAir (talk) 22:44, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment. Thanks. Yes when I search now I also find the google books hit. However the only other instances of the term ‘ipso facto selecto’ that come up are as the name of a racehorse. I don’t get any blogs or legal docs at all. Could you share some links for these please? Thanks. Mccapra (talk) 03:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The links I first found using the term were this, this, and this. MarkZusab (talk) 03:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment Thanks to the links found by MarkZusab I no longer believe this is a hoax. It is apparently a humorous tag meaning ‘According to the facts I have selected.’ If the consensus here is that the topic is notable then I’d suggest entirely removing the content of the existing article and replacing it with the definition I’ve proposed, supported by the sources provided. It may otherwise be a candidate for Wiktionary. Mccapra (talk) 04:38, 25 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete. The phrase may exist, and may have the meaning claimed (although, personally, I read it as meaning cherry picking in the one and only usage example cited above) but everything else is bollocks (if Vince Cable can use that word in a party manifesto title, it's ok on Wikipedia, right?) from beginning to end. The creator has already shown himself to be WP:NOTHERE so we no longer need to extend WP:AGF to him, both sources in the article fail verification so the link to Thomas Gray is almost certainly untrue, and tracing the etymology of a Latin phrase to Old English just screams hoax to me.  All that is left is a dicdef, but I don't think there is even enough evidence for an entry on Wiktionary.  The requirements there are for at least two usage examples in durably archived sources published more than a year apart.  Currently, we have only one. SpinningSpark 11:01, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete since there is nothing to support the subject's independent notability. This is simply an esoteric, humorous, latin neologism and nothing more. Our of a molehill some try creating mountains and others articles in Wikipedia. -The Gnome (talk) 11:16, 31 May 2019 (UTC)


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