Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iqbal Jogi


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The result was delete. ansh 666 04:28, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Iqbal Jogi

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The subject does not appear to meet GNG.. he has got some trivial coverage from independent reliable sources such as here and here but nothing significant. while language isn't relevant to our notability criteria at all but one should expect a bio on a relevant language edition of WP however in this casen no article in Urdu or even Sindhi WP.... I tried WP:BEFORE this nomination, but was unsuccessful, unfortunately. Saqib (talk) 17:04, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
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 *  Strong Keep , There are sufficient references to be kept. Jogi 007 21:04, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Please establish the notability by providing sufficient references here. --Saqib (talk) 21:09, 27 March 2018 (UTC)


 *  Keep , Article has sufficient coverage, it should not be deleted.--مھتاب احمد (talk) 13:35, 28 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Please list sufficient coverage here. Merely saying that sufficient coverage exists does not establish the notability. --Saqib (talk) 13:39, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 *  Keep , He is notable and has sufficient coverage. No need to delete this.--Spasage (talk) 19:05, 28 March 2018 (UTC)


 *  Keep , Notable and has sufficient references. Arif80s (talk) 07:27, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep, Iqbal Jogi is Notable Person. Sugar Coating and Canvassing in Disguise here [].--31.173.188.190 (talk) 11:20, 1 April 2018 (UTC) — 31.173.188.190 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * If I have my way, I would make sure that all IPs, !voting on AfDs, shall be check-user-ed by default. I wonder, what the outcome will be, in that case! ~ Winged Blades Godric  03:44, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I would be also kind enough to note that his notification did not violate the canvassing guidelines and am also pretty sure that I and Saqib, had not crossed our paths, significantly, ever before. ~ Winged Blades Godric 04:08, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * And, if biased canvassing were a case, I wouldn't be fence-sitting (as below) and/or wishing for an extended time-span to locate sources. ~ Winged Blades Godric 04:08, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Meh -I am fence-sitting between keep and delete, at least for now.Anyways, I would advice for a relist, given that all-most all the arguments seem to violate WP:ATA and am not able to retrieve non-trivial coverage in reliable sources.But, that he has been mentioned as the last skilled player of an instrument, somewhat swings it for me.Still, I would be looking for offline sources. ~ Winged Blades Godric 03:50, 2 April 2018 (UTC) As, described above, in my reply to the IP, I was alerted of this AfD, at my talk-page, which consisted of a notification, IMO, sufficiently neutral, to not fell afoul of our canvassing guidelines and neither have I and Saqib, crossed our paths, significantly, ever before.
 * Comment, Please allow this discussion some more time, I am working to find more reliable sources and trying to resolve the concerns raised regarding reliable sources and notability...Thanks...Jogi Asad Rajpar, Talk to me 08:48, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Iqbal Jogi is not living person. He died in 1987. He was a legend musician (Murli Player) of Pakistan. Furthermore, sufficient references have been cited. Thus, more time may kindly be given to Jogi Asad Rajpar for improving article and citation from reliable sources.--Aziz Kingrani (talk) 20:42, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Note for closing admin Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive980 --Saqib (talk) 05:19, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Article has sufficient reliable references to establish notability. — python coder   (talk &#124; contribs) 22:56, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * "Article has RS but not sufficient" << would you elaborate how and why you see them sufficient? --Saqib (talk) 05:53, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 23:08, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete the only way this can be kept is WP:GNG, WP:NMUSIC (although I do feel that standard is generally biased against "folk music") is clearly not met. The references are trivial mentions that merely state he was a master Murli player, or are non-substantial coverage of his albums.  Google search gives results about a different Iqbal Jogi, but nothing additional on this one.  I can't rule out that there are Sindhi-language sources with non-trivial coverage, but based on the English-language sources and the ones present in the article, this does not meet GNG. power~enwiki ( π ,  ν ) 03:49, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * dear, the above reference man pulling snake in nose isnot Iqbal Jogi Which we are diacussing here, that is an other Iqbal Jogi. Jogi Asad Rajpar, Talk to me 19:32, 5 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete - Clearly fails WP:NMUSIC across the board. That leaves WP:GNG. The coverage here is very thin. While it supports some of the material in the article, it's several bare mentions adding up to an article with nothing substantial to say about a non-notable subject. - Sum mer PhD v2.0 01:35, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. It's challenging to assess the case on WP:NMUSIC and on WP:GNG, especially for people who can't access offline or read non-English sources. Paradoxically, it's some of the material removed editorially as "cruft" by a recent editor that to me presents the greatest claim for notability, and is sourced to the clearly independent Tariq Rahman source, and (assuming rather than double checking accuracy) pushes me over to the line to keep. In the back of my mind is also that we do need to be careful of cultural ethnocentrism, and while notability and usable sources aren't negotiable, I'm inclined to give the benefit of the doubt in situations outside the mainstream of "Western" culture. Martinp (talk) 19:11, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I am afraid no significant coverage exist in local language as well. For what it's worth, had it been the case, the corresponding entry on Sindhi WP would have used them. It's irony only a single Sindhi language reference is cited there which is not reliable either. And Notability requires verifiable evidence.. --Saqib (talk) 16:44, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 05:00, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete, fails our musican guidelines and has no reliable sources. AFDs where a lot of sockpuppets show up are rarely good-faith article attempts, and if this guy was really such a "legend" there would be some sources, at least in the local language. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:36, 17 April 2018 (UTC)


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