Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iraqi clubs at the AFC Champions League


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep all. As an editor, I highly suggest converting the below into lists, looking at a featured list for inspiration. lifebaka++ 15:41, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Iraqi clubs at the AFC Champions League

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Article listing the results of Iraqi football clubs playing in a continental tournament. IMO this falls under Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information, as I can't really see that much point to it. The information already exists on the articles on the tournaments themselves, e.g. AFC Champions League 2007. A debate on an identical article on Iranian club results ended as delete.

I am also nominating Thai clubs in the AFC Champions League and Thai clubs in the Asian Club Championship for exactly the same reason. пﮟოьεԻ  5  7  10:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC) Druryfire (talk) 07:53, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  10:32, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete all per past precedent. – PeeJay 10:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The articles are way too detailed and should not exist, but I'd say merge the first sections only to Football in Thailand. There is no football in Iraq article, so merging's not an option there. Punkmorten (talk) 10:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep all - organised, discriminate, encyclopaedic. TerriersFan (talk) 15:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - You have no idea how hard to create an organized article, I wasted 8~12 hours on creating and editing the page. Mussav (talk) 18:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How much time you spent on creating an article is not a valid reason to keep it and repeatedly removing the AfD tag is not helpful either. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  18:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The page is totally useful, you can't ignore that, you can know everything about Iraqi clubs in the Champions League in one page. The page is organized, improved and contains useful information. So why the delete? Mussav (talk) 18:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:EFFORT and WP:ITSNOTABLE. MuZemike (talk) 20:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep seems a good basis for an article. I'd trim it down a bit and rename it to Iraqi clubs IN the AFC Champions League, but the basic idea is there. - fchd (talk) 18:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep if converted to something more akin to List of Scottish football clubs in the FA Cup, which is a Featured List -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per FCHD & ChrisTheDude. GiantSnowman 21:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment Just a heads up, but like the Iranian article's AfD, this one has also been the victim of a WP:CANVASsing campaign.  пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  22:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I send notifications to the people who shared with me creating and editing the page, they have the right to defend their work just like me. besides they did not respond yet. Mussav (talk) 22:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but you just can't do that - the three editors you canvassed had never actually edited the article. Try actually reading the guidline before replying. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  22:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Al1976 actually did edit the page, any way the reason why I send messages to Chaldean and mo1993 because this square Me and Al-Mo-Chal are the most active users in editing the Iraqi soccer related pages. so I thought they edidted the page alongside with me and Al. But thanx to you, you reverted it. now we can continoue voting without worring about the CANVASS. Mussav (talk) 22:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Apologies - my mistake. However, only one of the three has ever edited the article in question, and he/she only made a single edit. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  23:00, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I just realized that after checking the page's history, but again we four are the most active users in editing the Iraqi soccer related pages, so I thought they edited the page too. any way, you have reverted the messages, so I don't think there is any problem now. Mussav (talk) 23:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - I notice that two of the articles were created by User:Mage2one but I can't trace Number 57 notifying that user as would be expected. User:Druryfire has also contributed significantly to those two pages. I am adding the notification template to their talk pages. This is permitted by WP:CANVASS as a 'friendly notice' "to editors who have substantively edited ... an article related to the discussion". TerriersFan (talk) 22:54, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - Ok, i can now have my say on the debate. To me, the history of the teams taking part in the competitions from each country is unique. People want to know this information. It simply is a collection of data that is all fact and collated into one page to suit the nations, Iraq and Thailand, more could be added. People use this information to get a better understanding of these football leagues and generate a bit of interest. Simply saying you can find it in the AFC Champions Legaue articles is misleading as they are over numerous pages. But if you true statistical information with the touch of a button then it is all their for you. Recently, myself and a few overs have re-made the Thai football pages to show to everyone on Wikipedia what Thai football is about, this information would neve rbe found anywhere else. Simply put, if it is removed, then their would be a hell of a lot more pages on Wikipedia that should be removed, as many do not have any sense of purpose or could just be fiction.
 * Keep all - I think these articles are useful.Shahin (talk) 16:15, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - 4~5 days have passed, today should be the final result. Mussav (talk) 06:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:IINFO applies. Stifle (talk) 09:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


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