Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ireland–Singapore relations


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The result was   delete. WP:SNOW  MBisanz  talk 06:06, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Ireland–Singapore relations

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These two small nations have no bilateral relationship to speak of. THis stub doesn't have any sources or any assertion of notability. And I can find none reliable sources that could establish notability for this relationship. Delete. Bali ultimate (talk) 00:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete for all the usual reasons. JJL (talk) 00:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - two small countries on opposite sides of the world with no referenced connections? Non-notable in the utmost. - Biruitorul Talk 01:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - Can not find any kind of source to suggest these countries have any notable relationship. - Marcusmax ( speak ) 02:05, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:Complete Bollocks. Eddie.willers (talk) 02:37, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete per all above. —  Jake   Wartenberg  03:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Since when is Ireland a small nation? Not everything can be the size of the US or Australia. That doesn't mean it's small... - Mgm|(talk) 09:22, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete I may get it wrong, but this article doesn't seem to offer much hopes of being saved.--Aldux (talk) 14:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Expanded the article a little (unfortunately due to time constraints, I could only add a few references) but now sourced. UNdoubtedly, there are other bilateral agreements out there. I would admit that the sources could be viewd as primary sources, being based on parliamentary debates and speeches during official visits of heads of states. If I was to make an observation on the various Country X- Country Y realtions articles, they might provide a home for items such as trade agreements, for example the open skies agreement I added, as these, while not exactly being hugely notable in their own right, are agreements between two sovereign governments and would fall into the relations category.  FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 15:06, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to be pedantic, but the first three are indeed primary sources, and as for the fourth - well, is it really sufficient for an article? - Biruitorul Talk 15:14, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing wrong with being pedantic. I agree and acknowledged in my edit summary that the sources used could be considered primary sources, and as such, are only used to verify dates or events. For example, the report of the (then) Irish Prime Minister to the Irish Parliament on his meeting with the Singaporean Prime Minister is only used to verify that it happened, and the source should be changed to a secondary source; similarly the Irish Foreign Minister's speech is only used to verify dates of the State Visits and the establishment of the embassy, and while again, a primary source, I don't think that it is necessarily an abuse of the source. But there is room for improvement. The open skies agreement is really just the one sample of a bilateral relationship, other than those that would exist on other levels, such as on  European Union- Singapore level, but as an agreement signed by the governments, it does fall into the relationshoship area (I only had about 10 minutes to make a token search on all relationships, so again, there is  room for improvement.)  FlowerpotmaN &middot;( t ) 16:53, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep There is simply no reason to delete this article. --Mr Accountable (talk) 16:19, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No good reason to keep it, either! -- BlueSquadron Raven  16:23, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Faulty argument: we actually need dispositive evidence of notability. - Biruitorul Talk 16:24, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Nothing to say about relations between these countries other than (typically) highly-staged visits. Non-notable. -- BlueSquadron Raven  16:23, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


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