Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish-American Mayors

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The result of the debate was delete. Dmcdevit·t 00:40, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Irish-American Mayors
Wikipedia does not include lists of loosely associated topics. The property of being Irish-American and the property of being mayor have no connection; this list is useless and nonencyclopedic. Delete it. Angr/undefined 10:06, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nominator reasoning. Also, I do not see many of those redlinks becoming noteworthy articles. --Blu Aardvark | (talk) 10:09, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, should be a subcategory. --malathion talk 10:22, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, in many cities with political machines, the properties of Irishness and mayoralty are tightly linked. Keep--interesting and useful. A category would not consolidate the list in one place by city. Meelar (talk) 19:39, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, we already have List of Irish-Americans with a "mayors" section. Also note the history of these two articles; it represents a revert war between two editors, who really need to resolve their problems rather than creating new articles.  Dcarrano 23:00, July 16, 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete for the reasons outlined by the nominator as well as Dcarrano and malathion. I've been trying to get these two to play nice for two weeks now without success, and the only reason this page was created was so 64 could (for a time) avoid LP's supposed vandalism. Will someone please start an RfC on the anon user? LP already has one.&mdash;chris.lawson (talk) 00:52, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

This article is not because of a revert war. I would like Lapsed Pacifist not to vandalize it though.

Anyone that thinks there is no connection between Irish-Americans and mayors is ignorant of Irish-American history, American cities history, and American history.

Also some of these redlinks are no longer red because I added information on the people. 64.109.253.204 01:58, 17 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Comment: Speak of the devil. The above comment is by one of the revert warriors himself (64.109.253.204), complaining about the other (Lapsed Pacifist. Neither is covering himself with glory in the Irish Americans and List of Irish-Americans articles at the moment.

64.109.253.204 21:02, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I did more than just complain about Lapsed Pacifist. That was only one sentence and it was the only one you commented about. Why won't you comment about what else I have said?


 * Delete. The revert warriors ought to try talking to each other and settling their issues instead of constantly reverting and misusing the word "vandalism". --Calton | Talk 09:22, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

64.109.253.204 20:50, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * This is not a revert war. The revert war was at List of Irish-Americans. The Irish-American Mayors page is a legit page and it should be kept. It should not be deleted just because you do not like the person who created it.

64.109.253.204 20:56, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I recomend that the VfD for this page be cancelled because it has become that no one cares about the actual page but would like to see it deleted because they have a problem with me or because of something that happened on Wikipedia unrelated to this topic.


 * Since Angr, Blu Aardvark, malathion, and Dcarrano have given reasons for deleting that don't involve "problems with you", your statement is false on its face. And if it were true, what would that say about you, then? --Calton | Talk 00:19, July 19, 2005 (UTC)
 * comment - Just to facilitate discussion, there's a fairly good article at African Americans in the United States Congress which appears to be a similar topic. The difference, of course, is that the enfranchisement of African Americans has been a more specific and notable topic than the enfranchisement of urban Irish. Is that enough distinction to rule this article out on its face? I don't know. Dystopos 03:50, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Irish-American mayors are very popular and a list of them makes sense. Saying that African-Americans are more notable is point of view. 64.109.253.204 04:02, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you misunderstand my comment. I mean that the political participation of African Americans is more notable because it was specifically restricted by notable policies and events of American history. And I didn't voice an opinion on whether the distinction mattered here, I just brought it up for discussion. Dystopos 04:29, 19 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Weak-Delete Not entirely encyclopedic...--GrandCru 04:20, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and don't make into a category. If it's worthless as a list, it's even more worthless as a category.  Postdlf 04:39, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
 * The author shared this link with me, which if you start reading about a third of the way down, suggests that there is a documented history and focused academic study of the specific role Irish-Americans played in American politics. I now say keep, but move to List of Irish American politicians (and still don't make a category).  Postdlf 05:24, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
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