Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish Americans in New York City


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep.-- Wizardman 17:01, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Irish Americans in New York City

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Yet another useless list. Suggested merge to List of Irish Americans bt most if not all of the people listed are already there. Anything else can be transferred to NYC borough and neighbourhood articles. Such an article sets a terrible precedent - if we were to create such lists and articles for every single local group Wikipedia would become a nightmare, as I've described on the talk. Ultimately Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia and this sort of thing is definitely not encyclopedic. Furthermore it fuels nationalism, something which harms Wikipedia in the long run. Khorshid 19:15, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep not a list, but a description of the group with examples of its notables. More sourcing would be a good thing. But the article about ethnic groups in (usually) foreign environments is no worse than Little Persia, Los Angeles, California and Tehrangeles which aren't nominated for deletion and many others. Carlossuarez46 21:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Little Persian and Tehrangeles are neighbourhood articles, like Hell's Kitchen or Chinatown or Little Italy. Your examples are biased as usual because of my background, but what should I expect from someone whose remarks have thus far pinned me as a "pro-Iran POV"? You have proven yourself to be a bad faith editor in all three of the AfDs I have recently nominated. As for this article, the description is minimal and its just a list. If its kept, it should be renamed List of Irish Americans in New York City. Its called "calling a spade a spade". You've heard that one, haven't you? Khorshid 02:39, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Lists are one of the best things about Wikipedia. Xanucia 22:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Strongly keep because it is not just a list. It actually looks quite interesting.  I would be agreeable to cut out useless information, and to get sources.  Bearian 23:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep, but possibly rename - it's not exclusively about Irish Americans, it seems to be more of a catalog of IA culture in NY and the neighborhoods and such. The list falls in the constraints of WP:LIST, and makes a lovely index.  IMHO, the spot about nationalism harming Wikipedia is more of a straw man argument. --Dennisthe2 23:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Believe me, for a lot of other ethnic groups (especially non-Europeans), this sort of article would never survive on WP and would be deleted in the name of combating "nationalism", so its not a straw man argument. If you don't believe me, you can even try your hand at an experiment to see how long such articles last. Khorshid 02:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You have a good point - and I apologize. My !vote, however, still stands. --Dennisthe2 02:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep - per Dennisthe2 BlackBear 23:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep Tag for improvement, references, etc. The Irish in New York have been the subject of several books, documentaries, even movies and television shows.  I therefore, have no objection to the subject, and so far as it goes, I have no objection to any local group for which reliable information can be found having articles as well.   FrozenPurpleCube 05:26, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep per norm --Rayis 09:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.