Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish Fact Finding Delegation On Bahrain


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to Human rights reports on 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising. merge, together with the other articles. If the contents here are used, a redirect must be kept to maintain attribution. I consider this merge compatible with the non-consensus close of some of the other parts.  DGG ( talk ) 04:46, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Irish Fact Finding Delegation On Bahrain

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Contested prod. No evidence provided for the notability of this report, independently of the uprising it chronicles. This report may be used as a source for the 2011 Bahraini uprising article, but there's nothing that warrants an article dedicated to the report itself. This is just a news item, with no evidence of long-term notability. No report was issued.  Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 16:29, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. The delegation efforts have long-term notability, they managed (along with others) to put enough pressure on the government of Bahrain to release the doctors, move them from military court to civilian court, stop using the confessions taken under torture as evidence. This topic was mentioned in CNN and Irish times as well as local Bahraini newspapers. Bahraini Activist (talk) 17:18, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Reliable sources: CNN: Irish fact-finding delegation 'bullied' in Bahrain, Irish Times: Irish delegation travels to Bahrain, Irish Times: Delegation to Bahrain described as terrorists, RTE News: Irish delegation secures Bahrain pledge, Irish Election: Irish delegation to Bahrain creates further complications, Gulf Daily News: RCSI denies link to group's visit, MENA FN: Irish fact finding delegation to Bahrain mobbed by regime backers, 24/7 News: Irish delegation hosts Press conference unlawfully


 * Delete. Countless delegations travel to countries, especially in the aftermath of violence, and however noble they visit reports be, they normally don't deserve a separate article. For example, an International Commission of Inquiry into the 2010 South Kyrgyzstan Violence, supported by many countries, EU, OSCE, etc., does not have an article, despite its report bearing long-term consequences on Central Asian politics; nor the Commission itself does even have a website. I don't see why a smaller commission of just one country (Ireland) be important enough to have an entry. Normally, existence of bodies such as the Irish Commission should be indicated in the main article on the country's history, or in the one describing the violence and the subsequent peace process. kashmiri (talk) 19:08, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * While I agree that this article should be indicated in the main article on the country's history and the 2011 Bahraini uprising I don't see any problem about writing an article dedicated about the delegation it self where more details can be found, specially if notability can be proven. What's the problem with creating "countless" articles about notable delegations? The original reason for proposing this article for deletion is notability and that is what we should focus on. Bahraini Activist (talk) 20:08, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * @Bahraini Activist: I understand why you are trying to defend the article, as you just created it a few weeks back and are its only editor so far. However, you still have not explained why the topics - that Irish delegation - should not be just mentioned in the context of the 2011 Bahraini uprising article but stands as notable as to merit a separate entry on Wikipedia. Maybe I am wrong but I believe, primo, that any information of relevance about the Irish delegation is strictly related to the narration of the 2011 Bahraini uprising article, and secundo, it will be much easier for everyone to read these few sentences you said on the delegation neatly incorporated in the text of 2011 Bahraini uprising. Thus: delete. kashmiri (talk) 01:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * @Kashmiri: It can be mentioned in the context of the 2011 Bahraini uprising article as a summary, but with more details in the separate article. The article as it stands now is very short indeed, but if you have taken a look at the references I provided, you would understand that much more can be added to it. I think you mean merge and not merely delete. Bahraini Activist (talk) 11:24, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * @Bahraini Activist: Yes, merge the content and then  delete  the article. kashmiri (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 17:58, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep The subject is notable as evidenced by the sources above, however those sources should be used in the article and emphasize the notability of the Irish delegation particularly their influence on the uprisings (with proper third-party citation when necessary). Galadrist (talk) 20:48, 25 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment I have updated the article with most of the reliable reference I provided earlier. The article as it is now can stay and a summary of it can be added to 2011 Bahraini uprising article. Merging all this detail to 2011 Bahraini uprising article would seem unnecessary and I'm sure others would suggest moving it into a separate article. Bahraini Activist (talk) 18:20, 26 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bryce  ( talk  &#124;  contribs ) 00:55, 2 January 2012 (UTC)




 * Merge and delete to the Human rights reports on 2011–2012 Bahraini uprising page. There's no need to break out a separate article reusing much of the same information for a two-day fact-finding mission that is not likely to effect any sort of change from the status quo in Bahrain. I don't think notability has been established sufficient for a standalone article. -Kudzu1 (talk) 00:39, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.