Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish Jasper


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The result was no consensus.  So Why  17:26, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Irish Jasper

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Horse only won Grade III races with no significant coverage. Per NHORSERACING, horses need to win Grade I races or have significant coverage for other reasons to meet the indicia of notability for GNG Montanabw (talk) 01:02, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Agree - does not meet notability Jlvsclrk (talk) 04:02, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep Meets WP:NHORSERACING which states "Individuals who have won multiple significant Grade/Group 2 or 3 graded stakes races..." It isn't clear what is required for significant, but I would think two of the wins meets the requirement.  I think the Thoroughbred Club of America Stakes is for sure significant as the 2016 race was part of the 2016 Breeders' Cup Challenge series.  Miss Preakness Stakes is the main undercard race for the Black-Eyed Susan Stakes (a race of the Filly Triple Crown).  Similar arguments for the Victory Ride Stakes (but to me Miss Preakness Stakes is more significant).  Additionally, article meets GNG - at least the first three sources are detailed enough to meet GNG.  Note that I am the creator of this page, I think its keep. RonSigPi (talk) 20:26, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * The TCA is of pretty minor importance IMO. Yes it was part of the Breeders' Cup Challenge Series, but so are about 70 races, some of which don't even have articles on them, much less articles on the winner. If you look at the article on the 2016 BCCS, you'll see that most of the horses don't have articles, and at least one of them, A.P. Indian, really should since he actually is a G1 winner. Why not research him and write an article that's more than a bare stub? You'll find plenty. As for the Miss Preakness, definitely not notable. The major race on the Black-Eyed Susan undercard is the Pimlico Special FYI. As for the sources, literally every graded stakes race in North America receives a write up of that nature in the BloodHorse, Thouroughbred Daily News, Paulick Report, Daily Racing Form and probably a few other periodicals that skip my mind. Coverage in them does not confer notability. Jlvsclrk (talk) 10:09, 29 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not meet notability, lack of coverage. Another equine wikiproject editor. dawnleelynn (talk) 18:00, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Exemplo347 (talk) 19:58, 2 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Meets WP:NHORSERACING. I read "significant" (in "Individuals who have won multiple significant Grade/Group 2 or 3 graded stakes races") to mean "notable." The races mentioned by RonSigPi are notable by WP definition as there are articles. To delete Irish Jasper, it is necessary to show that those races are not notable, which requires successful AfDs of the articles on the races. Put the races up for AfD; if they are deleted, then Irish Jasper no longer passes WP:NHORSERACING and can be deleted. Or you could try to change WP:HORSERACING. Jack N. Stock (talk) 03:48, 3 June 2017 (UTC)
 * As I am very wary of WP:NSPORT (of which WP:NHORSERACING is a section), I reconsidered this AfD. Reviewing coverage in online news sources, I found that Irish Jasper has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. For example, there were 129 results in a Google news search for the phrase "Irish Jasper" horse, and several had Irish Jasper specifically as the topic, with the name "Irish Jasper" in the headline. Irish Jasper thus passes WP:GNG at least to the extent that I have not changed or struck my initial response. Jack N. Stock (talk) 03:00, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 06:41, 9 June 2017 (UTC) Delete Per NHorseracing, article does not meet notability. Horse has not won a grade I race and there is not significant coverage. dawnleelynn (talk) 17:24, 9 June 2017 (UTC)


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