Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish by Country


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Irish by Country

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We already have an article for Irish diaspora. If it is necessary to gather together relevant links then a navtemplate may be the way to go, but this is not the basis for an encyclopedia article. PC78 (talk) 01:28, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * keep What is the deal, seems like just about every article about Irish culture gets proposed for deletion. At this rate maybe we should change the name of this institution to NINApedia?  Then again I try to vote to keep one article a day.  I am not fundamentally opposed to merging, but looks to me like someone put a lot of work into this article, and I don't see why this effort should be snuffed out like the wounded were at the Battle_of_Culloden.  Has the makings of a great and useful set of links that belongs some place as information on Celtic peoples expands.  If the work contained in the article is reformatted into a template, that would be wonderful but I see no reason that the edit history needs to be deleted?  A lot of really great work was done here, and deleting content leads to the discouragement of great editors who's contributions are valuable.  TeamQuaternion (talk) 03:34, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Note I was looking at the edit history of this potentially fine article, and I notice that is was only started less than a week ago, so rather than knifing the baby in its crib why not give it a chance to live and develop for a while before we kill it off?TeamQuaternion (talk) 03:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Because as I said above, we already have a fine article at Irish diaspora, and a collection of handy links does not an article make. PC78 (talk) 11:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep The references it lacks are in the articles it lists. A short intro para should not be a problem - I may do one on the weekend if nobody beats me to it. It is actually a preferable solution to adding all the listed articles to the Irish DAB page. Downsize43 (talk) 04:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, valueless article. And I'm Irish. Stifle (talk) 09:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment This seems to lack the main link, which would be to some reliable and verifiable source that shows the estimated population in various nations of persons who are identified as having Irish ancestry. Sourcing to another Wikipedia article doesn't get it, although perhaps the verifiable sources referred to in those articles could be used.  I'd suggest moving this to userspace and working on it there, since it's been posted too soon.  Mandsford (talk) 13:41, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I originally intended this article to be just as useful as the Judaism by country which lists articles about the Jewish religion and ethnicity all categorized by the country. I originally left a lot of countries blank so that articles could be added later, but after going back to the Judaism by country (which I thought contained a full list of countries) I noticed that only countries with relevant Jewish populations were included in the list. So, I went back and deleted the "blank" country sections on the Irish by Country page. They can easily be added back later if an article about the Irish in that country is ever written. If there is anything else that any of you can think of to make the page more useful (or at least as useful as the Judaism by country page, I would be happy to make any alterations) Andrewsthistle (talk) 19:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * If nothing else I would suggest renaming the article to something more descriptive. List of expatriate Irish populations, or something. PC78 (talk) 22:52, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks for the idea Andrewsthistle (talk) 00:56, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Andrew, I invite you to vote to keep your own article, put a start and vote keep and put in an argument on why the article should be in here. Actually your ling to the article along the same lines for another ethnicity clearly demonstrates that this type of article is acceptable on Wikipedia, and if you could do as good a job as that other article it would be quite an accomplishment so keep up the good work.TeamQuaternion (talk) 04:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep I am by no means an expert on Wikipedia, but I have taken the advice of my fellow contributors to try to improve the article. Since the deletion was proposed I have changed the name from Irish by Country to List of expatriate Irish populations as was suggested. This serves to eliminate confusion about the nationality of the individuals included. I also took every country off the list that has no link to the Irish People, thus giving the article more focus. Andrewsthistle (talk) 14:45, 21 August 2009 (UTC)


 * comment Thanks for all you do Andrew! Please don't get discouraged, and great job accepting constructive suggestions, its the hard work of people like you who make wikipedia the great source of information it is today!  —Preceding unsigned comment added by TeamQuaternion (talk • contribs) 05:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NW ( Talk ) 00:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep This article now has a meaningful title, an intro para, and a reference. Why is this, plus 3 Keeps to 1 Delete, not yet enough? I believe it is worth keeping, and that it can be further improved by interested editors. One change I would suggest is that only those countries actually mentioned in the European Irish article should be so identified in this article. Downsize43 (talk) 10:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * comment I already voted to keep this article, and typed some pretty convincing arguments, so yea, still think that we should keep this article.TeamQuaternion (talk) 04:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions.  -- Cyber cobra  (talk) 04:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.