Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irish constitutional referendums, 1968


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The result was   keep. Black Kite (t) 00:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Irish constitutional referendums, 1968

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Just gives the results of the referendums on Third Amendment of the Constitution Bill, 1968 (Ireland) and Fourth Amendment of the Constitution Bill, 1968 (Ireland), which happened to be held on the same day. Similarly: The results are already in the respective amendment articles; the separate referendums article adds nothing, except the dubious benefit of fitting into the "electionType, date" format of Irish elections. This benefit is not real IMO, for the following reasons:
 * Irish constitutional referendums, December 1972
 * Irish constitutional referendums, 1979
 * Irish constitutional referendums, November 1992
 * Irish constitutional referendums, 1998
 * Irish constitutional referendums, 2001
 * Irish constitutional referendums, 2011
 * 1) Where only one referendum was held on a date (e.g. Seventeenth Amendment of the Constitution of Ireland), there is no separate referendum article; just the amendment article, which does not transclude Irish elections but rather Amendments of the Constitution of Ireland. So the Irish elections does not even provide a way to traverse all the referendums, whereas Amendments of the Constitution of Ireland does and will do even without the deleted articles.
 * 2) Where a referendum plus an election, or two different elections, were on the same date, there is not a single article; so why should multiple referendums be treated together?
 * 3) Only the 1968 and 1992 groupings had a commonality of theme. The others were just held simultaneously for administrative convenience. A mention of this in each amendment article is already present. The 1992 commonality of theme is (correctly) discussed in Attorney General v. X rather than Irish constitutional referendums, November 1992. The 1968 commonality is lesser and IMO there would be less duplication in two articles than three.
 * 4) There is already a master list at Amendments to the Constitution of Ireland; sublists per date are superfluous.

Once the articles are deleted, Irish elections will need to change to exclude them. could change to either or.

Listing referendums
If this option is chosen, it should probably replace Amendments of the Constitution of Ireland as well.

See also referendums
jnestorius(talk) 17:43, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep all I think having the single page to cover multiple referendums on the same day is useful and complements the two individual articles on the separate amendments. Voters were presented with both questions in the same referendum, so I don't see a problem with an article on both. I also think the proposed alternatives to the election template are not great. Number   5  7  18:03, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 19:19, 19 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Voters were not "presented with both questions in the same referendum"; they were separate referendums on the same day, with separate ballot papers and separate counts. Why is Irish constitutional referendums, 2011 separate from Irish presidential election, 2011, given that voters will be presented with all three will be on the same day? jnestorius(talk) 19:24, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What about Australian referendum, 1988? Four in 1. Snappy (talk) 19:28, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * There may well have been separate ballot papers, but voters filled them in at the same time - they didn't have to visit a polling station twice. There are several examples of election and referendum articles being merged and I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with that, but merging election and referendum articles when they are on the same day is a slightly different matter to two referendum questions (and also probably something to do with WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS). Number   5  7  19:34, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I was about to cite WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS in relation to Australian referendum, 1988. I won't speculate on what knowledge of the workings of Australian politics made an editor think a single article discussing all four referendums (or singular "referendum" for some reason) would be a good idea. Maybe some day they will revisit that article and de-stubify it to explain why. I have enough confidence in my knowledge of Irish politics to judge that there is very little chance that Irish constitutional referendums, 2011 will ever contain anything more than its current stub. (I guess the result will be added, but again just repeating the two amendment articles.) jnestorius(talk) 20:00, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep all - Its not an either or choice, we can have both. They serve as useful complements to the separate articles. Snappy (talk) 19:26, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We can have both, but why bother? I'm not seeing how "useful" it is. We already have Amendments to the Constitution of Ireland as a summary. "Complement" suggests something more than "repetition". What information currently or potentially in Irish constitutional referendums, 2011 would not belong in either of the two referendum articles? jnestorius(talk) 20:00, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
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