Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irma Tam Soong


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. A reminder to the nominator that AFDs are not a way to get an article better sourced. WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. And if you "hate to do this" maybe think twice about what you are doing. Liz Read! Talk! 22:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Irma Tam Soong

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I hate to do this to someone who clearly has done a lot of good work in their life, but she seems to fail WP:GNG and WP:NPROF. There is practically no news coverage of her beyond WP:NOBITS. She has exactly one notable paper and while that does seem to get a bit of citing, it's probably not enough, as usually need multiple notable publications to be considered notable. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, China,  and Hawaii. Owen&times;  &#9742;  17:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and Women. Curbon7 (talk) 19:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment. It appears likely that one or both of her books should be notable, although finding reviews is more difficult for someone who worked before the internet era.  FWIW, there's another, earlier, profile of her in the Star Bulletin . Russ Woodroofe (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This is a good find, maybe one or two more, and she could meet WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous (talk) 03:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: Can someone open this it seems to talk about this person.  Oaktree b (talk) 20:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * This seems to be her most notable work, "Sun Yat-sen's Christian Schooling in Hawai'i" it's discussed here and her paper is quoted here :. Oaktree b (talk) 20:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment: At the very least, should be mentioned in the Hawaiʻi Chinese History Center article (now a red link). Oaktree b (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: This, this, this, this, this and this should be enough for GNG. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 05:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment There are probably newspaper reviews of her books, but pre-internet - someone with access to US/Hawaii sources could probably find them. I've removed the unnecessary names of the grand- and greatgrandchildren. Pam  D  07:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: sources added after the nomination show a clear case for WP:GNG.Contributor892z (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:GNG and WP:HEY. The sources identified by Somebodyidkfkdt and Russ Woodroofe were particularly helpful – absolute best of the lot included "IRMA TAM SOONG: Historian" in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin in 1990, and "Whither the Chinese History Center?" in the the Honolulu Advertiser in 1974. Soong is discussed and quoted in numerous other newspaper articles, also in California where she was a frequent public speaker as well as a lecturer in Chinese language and literature at Pomona College. In terms of national recognition, Soong received a an award from the American Association for State and Local History in 1975. As noted by Oaktree b above, her most widely cited work is her 1997 article in The Hawaiian Journal of History, titled "Sun Yat-sen's Christian Schooling in Hawai'i", which is quoted in various publications such as Sino-Christian Studies, the Journal of Pacific History, and Chinese America: History and Perspectives. The article now tells a very complete story about the life of Irma Tam Soong, and there are numerous other sources cited in the article now besides. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep: With the new sources found, we have notability. More than enough for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 00:50, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:HEY. Excellent work by Cielquiparle. Toughpigs (talk) 01:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


 * Neutral: I'm leaning towards keep per WP:HEY. I'm glad to see the new sources, this was what I was hoping might come out of this AfD Allan Nonymous (talk) 03:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)


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