Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irmgard Kärner


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The result was keep. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:10, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Irmgard Kärner

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Notability not established, existing sources do not satisfy WP:GNG requirement for significant coverage. It's mostly tables from competition results. The two news-looking articles recently added only mention Irmgard Karner once each; that's not enough to build a verifiable article on. -- intgr [talk] 13:23, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Irmgard Karner was German women's chess champion (source: http://www.teleschach.de/damen/bremen1964.htm) and played in three chess Olympiads for West Germany (source: http://www.olimpbase.org/playersw/ms884ywg.html). This level chess player has responded for English Wikipedia notability requirements.--Uldis s (talk) 05:55, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. MT TrainDiscuss 13:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. MT TrainDiscuss 13:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. MT TrainDiscuss 13:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep, The article passes notability guidelines for a chess player. Despite not being a chess grandmaster, she belongs to ancient era in the 19th century so the biography is worth notable in this case. Abishe (talk) 12:38, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Contrary to what the nominator says, winning a national championship and appearing in three Olympiads does establish notability for a chess player.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 13:27, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * These are not actually addressing the nomination at all, nor are you citing any policy/guideline to support your claim. Deletion discussions should consist of policy-based arguments (WP:CLOSEAFD); simply asserting that the subject is notable does not make it so. WP:GNG, the main notability guideline, requires significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, so that a verifiable article can be written. As stated in the nomination, such sources haven't been demonstrated, thus the article is unverifiable and not demonstrated to be notable. -- intgr [talk] 14:13, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Of course I'm addressing the nomination. It is likely that a chess player who has won a national championship and appeared in international competition has generated coverage to satisfy GNG. The problem is that for a West German player active in the 1960s they may be offline, and may not be in the English language. Currently unverified does not mean unverifiable.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:27, 22 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment I have no idea what the chess notability guidelines are, but applying athlete notability guidelines it appears she would pass if the Chess Olympiad were a top-level international competition. We do presume notability for athletes in top-level competition. I'm not sure about chess notability guidelines, so I won't vote, but if there are guidelines which exist saying international competitors are presumed notable, I'd vote keep. There are also several mentions of her games in books and other secondary sources. I agree with the nominator there's not a lot of sources there, though. SportingFlyer (talk) 19:12, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep. Deleting the article would turn blue links to red in German Chess Championship, 3rd Women's Chess Olympiad and 4th Women's Chess Olympiad. This would not help to build the web nor would it improve the encyclopedia. Quale (talk) 23:54, 23 February 2018 (UTC)


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