Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iron Man (film series) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. NativeForeigner Talk/Contribs 05:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Iron Man (film series)
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Previous AfD resulted in delete. It was recreated but is now worse. -- Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 17:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak keep without prejudice - I declined the G4 speedy request because this article was substantially different from the one that was deleted and did not contain a copy/paste of the text without proper attribution. (GFDL attribution history was the reason the previous one was deleted, not the content.)  Though the current article is rather useless, it was only just started yesterday.  We don't normally delete articles just because they aren't finished yet. --B (talk) 17:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't know what could be added to this article, that would be beyond the scope of the 2 individual movie articles we have now. The creator apparently doesn't know either, because all he's done is add links to the movies' articles and create a pointless character table which would certainly be the first thing to go if this article is kept. I suggest waiting for the eventual Iron Man 3.--Atlan (talk) 18:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Unfortunately WikiProject Films/Style guidelines is blank (it would help to develop one). However, with only two films in the series, there doesn't seem to be anything that merits an article that isn't already handled in the articles on the two films and in the parent article Iron Man. Шизомби (Sz) (talk) 19:35, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment it might be more helpful to rename it to Iron Man in film, and develop it that way, since I think it has a few animated titles. 76.66.195.196 (talk) 06:47, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:47, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Delete Delete, again. Two films does not a series make, and article has little to no possibility for additional expansion outside of the two existing film articles. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 18:32, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep I don't see why the Iron Man film series should haven't its own page when the Fantastic Four series (two films) already does. And there is probably a greater chance that a third Iron Man movie will be created than another F4. In the Marvel Films template, nearly every other Marvel film franchise with two or more films has its own series page. The page as it currently exists is certainly terrible, but it could be improved if people put in the work. This article just needs some focused attention from people who typically edit Marvel film pages. This page would also be the optimal place for describing planned future films or spin-offs, which are currently mentioned on the Iron Man 2 page. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 05:10, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. It's not an excuse to keep this article, especially in the state that it's in. The creator hasn't bothered to flesh out the article and probably can't. It's no great loss to delete it and recreate it when there's something to write about. The rest of your argument is basically crystal balling about future releases and centering the article on that. We're not in the habit of keeping articles, just because a sequel movie is likely, as opposed to confirmed.--Atlan (talk) 08:11, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Good points, but you suggest that the article could be recreated "when there's something to write about." The original editor must have thought that there was something to write about or it wouldn't have been created. This will always be subjective. How will we know when the time is right going forward? Would one more film in the series make a difference? My thought is that if the page has been deleted twice already, it is much less likely to be created again in the future, even if it would make sense to do so (surely, no one wants to invest time in a page only to see it deleted). There was also a bit of nuance to my other argument that you might have missed. I wasn't saying that this page should exist because a page for a Pokemon character (or other crap) exists. I was arguing for consistency across similar pages that appear in a specific template. If you think the page for the Fantastic Four series should be deleted because it only discusses two films as well, then that is a debatable point. But, it makes sense to me that pages organized within the same template should be added or deleted based on a consistent criteria, rather than on a piecemeal basis. If you think the future film content I referred to in my other point is crystal balling, that's fine. I didn't write the paragraph. If you have problems with it, I suggest you take up the issue on the Iron Man 2 (talk) page. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 18:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Whatever reluctance any future editor might have in creating Iron Man (film series) can never be a reason to keep it now. Whatever potential you believe the article creator thought the article has is entirely moot, as he has done nothing to improve it. This page discusses deleting the article on the basis of it's content, not hypothetical situations and conjecture. Fantastic Four (film series) is obviously fleshed out pretty well. Getting Iron Man (film series) up to that level would require taking a lot of information from the Iron Man film articles, which is indeed what was done with the 2 previous iterations of this article. I would only support this if the 2 film articles are so large that they would require splitting.--Atlan (talk) 18:35, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems like you are saying the page shouldn't exist because of the lack of original content, not so much that the topic of the page isn't worthy. However, I personally like the character table (it appears in most other Marvel film series pages as well) and think it is well suited to this specific page. The other Marvel film series pages seem like they would be good examples of the type of content that could be unique to this page as well. I guess I'm not sure why this has been marked as an AFD rather than a stub. If all it would take is some work to get it fleshed out, as you say, then it seems like this would qualify as a stub. Marking it as such might just invite the work that you feel the page still needs. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 20:17, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. The topic is worthy of an article, but as it is, there's no content to justify the article. Stubbing an article that is basically 2 links to real articles and a character table is pointless. If you think the article has potential to expand, go ahead and do it. As long as no one does, I'll stick to my vote.--Atlan (talk) 08:45, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - There is nothing in this article that doesn't already appear at the articles for the two individual films in the "series". The redundancy is unnecessary.    Snotty Wong   chat 19:55, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - Series already covered with Marvel Cinematic Universe article.-5- (talk) 04:42, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.