Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irregular Webcomic! (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:07, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Irregular Webcomic!
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Fails WP:WEB. Creator's article was deleted. Only sources are primary (the comic itself, an interview) or not reliable (Web Snark, a wiki, Modern Tales). Last AFD from 2006 somehow closed as "keep" with nothing but "It's notable because it's notable" arguments. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 23:16, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Webcomics-related deletion discussions. OSborn arfcontribs. 23:18, 21 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. I want to note that the standards for passing notability were notoriously loose back in 2006. Something could pass just by existing, which isn't the case now. There are blog hits and other things that can't be seen as a RS on Wikipedia, but otherwise this is ultimately a webcomic that falls short of our notability guidelines. All I can find are passing mentions and a few trivial articles like this one. The problem is that while it's popular, popularity isn't notability. There are a large amount of webcomics that have extremely huge followings and even support their artists, yet don't actually pass notability guidelines because they haven't gotten the coverage in RS. Heck, a good example of a popular web thing would be Marble Hornets. It's a wildly popular YT series and is considered to be one of THE definitive Slender Man inspired web series out there. Yet it's never gained enough coverage to merit an article, much to my chagrin. That's a great example of how popularity doesn't automatically mean notability. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   04:02, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * A lot of this is because webcomics and webseries - perhaps less now than in the past, but it's still there - get "shunned" by 'traditional media' that makes up the majority of RSes for the fact of not having a 'real-world' presence. I've argued before that we need to account for this somehow with a WP:NWEBCOMICS, as things like IWC and, as you mentioned, Marble Hornets, pass the WP:COMMONSENSE test as "things that are wildly popular on the web and that readers are likely to come here searching for information about" - but which fail WP:N as it stands due to their being ignored by the sources that make up the RS pool, through accident or, unfortunatly, design. The catch of course is that I'm not sure how this could be done without opening the floodgates; while IMHO the GNG has become too strict a Holy Writ over the years (oft forgetting that WP:NOTPAPER) there does have to be some standard that isn't just "I know it when I see it". - The Bushranger One ping only 18:15, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable. Tokyogirl79 pretty much said it all.  More stringent notability policies today sometimes result in the deletion of popular topics that lack reliable sources.  Notability isn't popularity or importance. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:20, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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