Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre Final Shows


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 17:45, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre Final Shows

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Two-day tour which seems to fail both WP:NTOUR and WP:GNG N  Ø  11:55, 28 December 2018 (UTC) And before someone else brings this up yes there are a few sources covering it but none of it is in-detail coverage which could help expand this beyond a stub.-- N  Ø  11:58, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Just noting that this article has been expanded a bit since this nom was started and I'd say its slightly bigger than a stub now. Still not a notable tour in my opinion and all the information that is currently in the article could easily be condensed into a paragraph on This Is What the Truth Feels Like. This "tour" is just a set of two shows that are being labelled as such for the sake of having an article. Wikipedia's very own article on concert tours gives the definition as "a series of concerts by an artist or group of artists in different cities, countries or locations", this "tour" consists of two shows at the same venue on a one day gap. I'm also not seeing any indication that Stefani or any primary source promoted this as a "concert tour". Update: It has also come to my attention that this show has almost the same set list as this. It could actually be merged there too.-- N Ø  10:32, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I do not believe that is a really a good rationale for deletion though. If a set of performances receive enough third-party coverage from reliable sources, then they should be deemed notable enough for an article. Even a single performance can have an article if there is enough coverage (just see The Beatles' rooftop concert as an example of this). Your disagreement over the definition of what constitutes a "concert" is not a valid argument for deletion. Aoba47 (talk) 17:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * If this is not a concert tour and is only covered by a few sources then these performances would fit in a small section on the album article. In fact is there any primary source that actually referred to this as "Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre Final Shows"? The argument about the Beatles concert is WP:Otherstuffexists, I'm sure you know that so I have no idea why you're bringing that up. And even if we were to consider that comparison, these two Stefani shows are nowhere as much covered as the other concert you mentioned.-- N Ø  18:25, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I do not think you are understanding my point. It was not a direct comparison by any means, rather I was pointing out the flaw in your argument. I do not believe your argument on what can be considered a "concert tour" is a strong case for deletion. It is a completely fair point to question whether or not the recent expansion fulfills notability requirements, but I wanted to use the comparison to represent how the other argument used for deletion was not good. Either way, I'm going to stop participating in this discussion as I am clearly not adding anything. I do not mean to sound rude, but I just wanted to comment on the whole "concert" definition thing that was recently brought up in this discussion. Aoba47 (talk) 22:26, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
 * – LiveNation refers to "Irvine Meadows Final Shows" while the official press release poster uses "Irvine Meadows Amphitheatre Final Shows" as the concerts' title. Classifying this article as just "slightly bigger than a stub" is undermining the situation. I'm having a very hard time agreeing with your idea of condensing this into a single paragraph on TIWTTFL when your very own MTrain Tour contains even less text than this article and recently achieved GA status. Carbrera (talk) 23:32, 10 January 2019 (UTC).
 * I don't know why we need to keep going back and forth. Notability is about coverage, not about text size. MTrain Tour is ten times more covered by sources based off of Trainor's vocal cord hemorrhage alone, but that's again an WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument anyway. (I'm trying to assume good faith here even though your argument is highly flawed, and you're doing it so I would back off). I'm not withdrawing this no matter how many paragraphs you add to the article if I don't agree there's enough coverage in the first place. You're demonstrating a lacking knowledge of core Wiki policies such as Otherstuffexists, I have no idea why you're bringing up the Trainor tour, which at the very least was an actual tour. This Gwen "tour" wasn't even being promoted on her official website five days before it happened. -- N Ø  02:11, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * – In advance, I'm stating that this is the last time I'm replying on here. You've made it very clear that regardless of what occurs to the article, you are against its existence, despite a decently written and lengthy article and several highly reputable sources. I only replied to your last comment as you seemed to hint at that there wasn't a single source that mentioned the name of these two shows. I provided you with a source in hopes that you would stop suggesting that I contributed to an article based off of non-existent concert series. I am very well aware of WP:OSE; I was not at all comparing this article to the MTrain tour article, I was just surprised that you referred to this one as "slightly bigger than a stub" when the Trainor article contained even less text but somehow had more sources used (ten more sources, not ten times more). I'm not here to argue, I'm not even offended that this was nominated for AfD, but I am offended that you are seemingly insinuating that I just took two promotional shows from Gwen's touring history, slapped a name on them, and called it a Wikipedia article. That is not what happened so stop implying that this isn't a tour. Carbrera (talk) 03:19, 11 January 2019 (UTC).
 * You’re taking it way too personally. For context, I also supported deleting the article about a recent Ariana Grande “tour” of a similar length. (Which had even more coverage than this one btw.) . Besides, this back and forth argument is accomplishing nothing so it’s probably better that we both back off and wait for more people to weigh in. I request not to be tagged here again, or have any more responses directly under this comment. Hope that will be respected. Please add new comments under the relisting notice and refraining from clouding up the nom.— N Ø  12:21, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Baby miss  fortune 13:01, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
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 * Keep – "a few" is a bit of an understatement. A large amount of sources discuss the article beyond what you mentioned. This is what I discovered from a simple Google search:
 * Billboard concert review
 * Patch concert interview
 * ABC News post-concert recap
 * OC Register post-concert recap
 * OC Register opening act interview
 * Press-Enterprise included it in their year-end concert list
 * OC Register concert info
 * Los Angeles Times concert announcement
 * LiveNation press release page
 * Los Angeles Daily News best performances at the venue list
 * Not to mention that both dates of the concert were sold out and the concert series itself marked a significant end to a historic structure's existence, I cannot wrap my head around why this article should be deleted. Carbrera (talk) 07:47, 29 December 2018 (UTC).
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. North America1000 23:06, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:59, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. And I cannot wrap my head around why anyone would think that this is worth an article: a lot of local passing mentions/listings/press releases, supporting a single paragraph of prose that's press-release-style quote about the closing of the arena. --Calton | Talk 06:33, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep per Carbrera's sources above as they point to some degree of notability, particularly the amount of reviews. Aoba47 (talk) 10:02, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Shows get reviews: that's routine coverage, like reports on ball games, and counts little towards notability. --Calton | Talk 03:30, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * A review does count toward notability as it shows that an event received coverage from a notable source. Aoba47 (talk) 07:26, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 * and – just a head's up that the article has been decently expanded. Carbrera (talk) 21:07, 8 January 2019 (UTC).
 * Thank you for the update. Aoba47 (talk) 23:34, 8 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, now it's TWO paragraphs of trivia. Vote stands. --Calton | Talk 00:28, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Michig (talk) 06:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete This can be more summed up as 'a local well-known artist closed a local concert venue' (with said artist hardly in their prime), and a venue not well-known outside the OC. At best, this is a paragraph at the end of the IMA article; as it is, it's definite Stefani-cruft with an overspam of ROUTINE articles (most from the same writer) with the artist's standard concert playlist, and no definite news value outside the OC (to me, it would be only notable if there was a No Doubt reunion during the show). At Budokan this ain't, and the IMA looks like every other amphitheater constructed in the 80s, so there's no historical value to it.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 12:22, 13 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Delete per nomination. Despite the gallant effort to proffer sources, sources there came none in adequate support of independent notability. The best one can hope for is a merge onto the article about the artist. And there's a strong aroma of promotion all around, which really doesn't help. -The Gnome (talk) 12:40, 20 January 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.