Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Irving Goff


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The result was  Keep (non-admin closure) after five days no one but the nominator argues for deletion. Icewedge 01:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Irving Goff

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 * Delete Not every soldier is notable. This individual does not seem sufficiently notable per WP:BIO - has not received any major award or been the primary subject of any reliable sources. Ave Caesar (talk) 22:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep His "activities in the Communist Party" in the USA make him notable. I would like to see this article stay around and be expanded to provide additional refs and more concrete information about his involvement in the Communist party and its effects. Truthanado (talk) 22:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep He's discussed in many books, and his obituary appeared in newspapers across the country. A bit more notable than your average soldier. The article does include a reference, even though it doesn't use inline cites.Zagalejo^^^ 23:06, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Not all of those mentions are more than incidental. But it appears that he had a leadership role, and the article should be rewritten to emphasise that. I think most soldier in that brigade is mentioned at least in the sources; every soldier in the American Revolution and many other wars can also be found mentioned. There has to be more than just that. I think there is, here.DGG (talk) 00:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC).
 * Strong Keep As Goff's guerrilla activities in Spain were the inspiration for Hemingway's For Whom the Bell Tolls, and as he was a key player in setting up the OSS guerrilla operations in North Africa and northern Italy. Furthermore with regards the comando operation he took part in in Motril, S. Spain, historian Heather Graham in The Spanish Civil War: A Very Short Introduction, Oxford University Press, 2005, p. 53. states:... an important commando raid that constitutes the only operation of its kind ever undertaken by the Spanish army. A few year's later Aalto's comrade-in-arms and fellow participant in that commando action, Irv Goff, would have an opportunity to re-use the skills learned in Spain when during the World War he was parachuted back into occupied Europe by US special services. This is clearly a notable soldier.--Redsur (talk) 12:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - clearly notable, not least because of the OSS connection (given that the OSS became the CIA, the fact that an open Communist like Goff was used by them (and that Goff did not become a turncoat after the war) is notable, whatever one may think of the CP. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  13:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * None of these things establish notability per WP:BIO. Being a member of OSS doesn't make one notable. While his party affiliation might make for an interesting story he is not the primary subject of reliable sources. --Ave Caesar (talk) 21:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Regardless, we can still gather together enough information to write a decent-sized article. I don't see the need to delete it. Zagalejo^^^ 00:28, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep As per everyone but the nominator. Notablity is asserted, Zagalejo and Redsur show clear examples of independant sourcing. Edward321 (talk) 23:05, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, i think the passage "was instrumental in setting up guerrilla units working behind enemy lines in North Africa and Italy[1]. His exploits as a guerrilla in Spain are considered to be the inspiration for Ernest Hemingway's novel For Whom the Bell Tolls[2]" establishes notability quite well. --Soman (talk) 10:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.